if you voted for the Tories, you should feel personally responsible when you see homeless people on the streets ...

[aufaniae]

...once their policies start to bite.

They want to removing housing benefit for under 25s, many of whom have children. Just one of their policies which will drive people into homelessness.

I thought this was meant to be a civilised country. If the safety net is removed, many people including children will fall through it, some of them ending up on the streets.

How can anyone support that?

idiotic, londonone.

Tax credits are at present claimable by people earning up to 32,000.

Are you seriously saying that people earning a reasonable wage should not be 'allowed' to have children?

You are certifiable imho.

Hello? Hello? Sunday Sport reader? Hi, my names Theo. Can we have a chat about misogyny and....oh he's slammed the phone down.

Londonone and her children would no doubt take to the street in noble poverty.

Domestic- Why do you keep banging on about he unemployed,most of the time the left are at pains to tell us how most HB claimants are in work. It's thee who I have more of an issue with. Unemployment should be a temporary state.

No they shouldn't have multiple children and expect state support for them. I think you are equally certifiable to think that the state should be responsible for people's lack of personal responsibility.

well thankyou for that eminent piece of good sense London :D I am sure that the unemployed would agree with you heartily.

yes, the HB argument entirely contradicts your BS about irresponsibility. Working people (whom I just banged on about above, read the posts) should not need HB to afford ludicrously overpriced urban rents.

Rents should be controlled but of course we cant' have that, would affect the property portfolios of Tory voters.

News flash, if you don't earn much you can't afford much, is that such a tricky concept

So you're comfortable with the idea of children being made homeless then, londonone?

You clearly don't understand anything about the job market, the tax credit system or the great big economic void we're all about to fall into unless you're already a millionaire.

According to your own argument you yourself should probably not have had children. You do realise you and your kids are all going to have to pay for healthcare too in future? Hope you're ready for that. Hey ho, your problem your responsibility :D

So 32k is not much then Londonone?

It's over the average wage for one person in this country.

anyway bored now with Tory baiting. It's too easy.

Like I said I don't think it will happen, I suspect they will be housed in b and bs and or hostels, which I am fine witj

Newsflash, it is possible to aspire to - and actually create - a society where everyone has a chance of earning a living wage.

Or, alternatively, we could just make sure the wealthy are supported in making more money, and screw everyone else, we should be grateful to exist as cattle for the ultra-rich to make money from.

As a member of society I feel responsible for the people who are homeless, regardless of how I voted.

That doesn't mean I am responsible for putting them there, but I do feel a responsibility to support those who want to get off the street find ways to do it.

I'm also a tory voter because I think they are the least bad of a spectacularly bad bunch.

As a member of British society I'm also partly responsible for the appalling state of our political parties - something that we are all partly responsible for, so I guess whomever you did or didn't vote for, everyone of us shares some responsiblity for the mess we're in.

If they are houses in b&bs or hostels the cost willbe astronomical compared to housing benefit!

It costs loads to house families in temporary accommodation, much more than HB on a flat!

What advantage is there in that situation, please explain?

*housed

If I was earning 32k I certainly wouldn't be having multiple children. I am sorry to hear you are going to fall into an economic void and think everyone else is as well. Interesting as to why you think I should not have children? Do please expand

Why is having multiple children even relevant?

Parents with one child will lose HB if under 25.

I don't think £32k is much to support a family on, if you mean household income. Where I live, that wouldn't even cover mortgage/rent plus childcare.

Aufanie - I didn't say I thought that was a good solution,I said I thought it likely.

No London, you should not have had children according to your own logic not mine.

Anyone can end up redundant at any time, particularly as (you must surely agree?) we must now compete with China, where the oppressed masses slave away in pre-Victorian conditions. (So good for the soul!)

Thus anyone who has had ANY children in their life and cannot be entirely sure that they will be able to pay for said child's every need for the whole of its life (including taking them back in up to age 25) should never have had children or they are PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MESS THEY ARE IN.

You must surely agree.

Wtf are you drinking op

Do you feel the weight of boting for. Party that barkrupted the whole of the uk ....no i thought not

If they didnt spend we wouldnt need to save

You call them cuts i call them living with in our means

aufaniae, it isnt' relevant at all.

Londonone is just enjoying yet another three minute hate about 'feckless breeders'.

Aufanie- the multiple children was in response to domestic

'I am sorry you are going to fall into an economic void'

I do work for the public sector but you needn't worry about me just yet, thanks.

I did have two kids though (two! count em!) and claimed child tax credit last year (boo!), do I count as a feckless breeder?

I will be homeless on the 12th of November. I have been struggling to sort out my living conditions for a while now, my DLA claims have been rejected, my benefits got stopped for a silly administration error, I am trying to cope as a single mum to a behaviourally challenging child awaiting assessment with my own disabilities. Everywhere I turn things are being cut or stopped, and I am actually truly worried about our future. I don't know if we will even have a place to live for Christmas, never mind being able to get my children a little something and celebrate, so much so that I am sending them away to be with someone else over the festive period. All I want is a stable home life so that I can assist my DD with starting school and getting the help she needs via CAMHS etc, then with my own care sorted and everything running smoothly get an education to suit my disability and then work despite my health problems.

As it is I am struggling along from crisis to crisis, trying to get help from anywhere I can think of, considering filling out a job application form, despite being unfit to work. Risking my health for my children's wellbeing is becoming the only option open to me, though I doubt with my health issues I would get employed.

The world right now is not a nice place for people like me.