if you voted for the Tories, you should feel personally responsible when you see homeless people on the streets ...

[aufaniae]

...once their policies start to bite.

They want to removing housing benefit for under 25s, many of whom have children. Just one of their policies which will drive people into homelessness.

I thought this was meant to be a civilised country. If the safety net is removed, many people including children will fall through it, some of them ending up on the streets.

How can anyone support that?

I don't think anyone is suggesting that people don't have a right to a family, just that hey don't have a right to a family paid for by the state. Of course do feel free to point me in the direction of the "right to a family funded by your neighbours" document.

ou really are not getting it are you. If you need child benefit to feed your kids you can't afford kids!

So you right wingers, do you know the history behind the introduction of Child benefit? or are you ill educated as well as entitled and embittered.

Ah here comes HappyMummy with her "scrap child tax credits" bollocks again

Its like clockwork isn't it.

I don't think anyone has suggested that full time carers for disabled dc should not get benefits. I for one suggest they should receive a wage.

I'm sure I did auf apologies. Firstly there is always a demand for my job. Always. All over the world. Same as dp's job.

I have savings. Family would also help. I would not need to claim hb.

God there are some bitter people here ......heaven forbid anyone should use the system perfectly legally to support themselves.

Many people also use accountants to legally avoid paying a huge amount of tax

Same coin, two sides IMO.

Mini - of course I forgot, it is 1945 and we have a post war economy, millions of working age men have just been killed. Or not.

Two working people even if on min wage should be able to afford one child, they can work opposite hours if the childcare is expensive. If they desire more than one child they find work that supports more children like those that dont claim do.

Nobody should be entitled to make lifestyle choices that they expect others to pay for.

I can assure you JakeBullet that i am far from thick, if expecting people to pay for their own children is too much for you to understand then we disagree. I hate tax credits and threads like these show just how many people had children that others are expected to support.

So, coming back to helpful families.
What about the impact on your family, Fairy?
How big would that be? Obvs we don't know you or your family - are they wealthy? Do you have a big family?

Outraged, I see the problem, you do actually agree with a safety net, but you're out of touch with reality.

You say "yes, I would have wanted a safety net. But the difference is that I would have used it as a safety net, and would have been out job hunting and taking extreme care with my contraception. When someone is using the benefit system as a safety net, that's what they do. When they use the benefit system as a choice, they don't take extreme care with their contraception, and they don't look for another job because they know that as long as they have a child under the age of five, the state will pay for them to have a comfortable enough life. That isn't a choice I would ever make, so all I need from my state is a safety net rather than a way of life. That is basically the reason why I feel that some benefits can reasonably be cut."

Housing Benefit is a safety net. The majority of people on benefits are NOT long-term claimants.

This government are removing the safety net for everyone under 25 even those who have always done the "right thing" but have been subject to bad luck. Many under 25s who lose their jobs through no fault of their own will be made homeless.

So as you think that you should have been entitled to benefits when you were an under 25 then, I take it you agree that this policy is unjust then?

Childcare for school aged children on a 9-5 job is minimal if needed.

Minimal?

When I worked FT and I had DS1 he was at oos club from 7.45 -9.00 and from 3.15-5.30 - thats three hours a day at £4.50 an hour.

Yes and millions of men pissing their wages up the wall, nothing much has changed huh!

Thing is child benefit historically has been in place to feed children. Don't deny it and don't deny that poor families in recent years really have had to rely on this money for food.

The fact is a working class women with children has MORE moral right to child benefit that a middle class women of means. If you don't need it don't accept it, except plenty of you take this money and use it to buy baubles and furnish your children with savings, savings a poor parent can only dream about offering their child.

Okay londonone....so a a large part of the population earning less than £40k. Shall we tell them not to breed then?
Or shall we suggest sterilisation?

Do say.

Yes you can plan, yes you can think it will be fine but life is sometimes very surprising as I know only too well which is why I utterly HATE the vilification of families using tax credits (or any other benefit) to support their living costs. Life is shit sometimes and I am sick of the smug posters here pontificating from their ivory towers about how people should plan.

I planned

Life changed

I claim benefits.....and I never expected to in a million years.

All I can wish is a slice of the same "dagger between the eyes" experience for those of you who think it is so simple and easy to plan your lives.

On the other hand if it is making the smug people here cry into their Daily Mail then I am so so sorry (that was sarcasm).

I don't have big family,dp does but financially they are not in a position to help. My parents are reasonably well off, partly through hard work and saving and partly through inheritance etc.

I hate tax credits and threads like these show just how many people had children that others are expected to support

I hate tax credits too, it's like pouring money straight into the back pocket of the capitalist class. It's a way of subsidising profits and allowing businesses to pay less than a living wage. ALL that beautiful tax money you have paid straight into Phil greens back pocket, must make you green with envy.

Aufanie - the majority of people claiming tax credits and in many cases housing benefit are long term claimants, look at pumpkin as an example. She has been on benefits for years.

Happymummy

Its not the fault of the person receiving the benefit. I take it you earn too much for benefits, thats not their fault neither.
I suppose you don't get cb neither. I can't believe families can earn £70k+ and still receive this, the robbers.

Jake - the might want to think about the number of kids and in some cases that number should be 0. Sorry if you struggle with that

Sorry posted too soon - on phone, the impact would not be that great if we ever needed to go cap in hand to them.

In the past they have offered financial support which we have turned down in order to provide for ourselves.

As I said before, temporary support for a change in circumstance should be available to all. A long term subsidy of your living costs that you have increased through choice, shouldn't be.

Thanks, Fairy.
Now, say they were unable to help for some reason or other - ill health, old age or whatever. Then what?

I'm just trying to find your HB point as it were - when you're out of other options...what would you do then?

I actually feel quite sorry for pumpkinsweetie, her husband worked for years, she had all her kids whilst he was in work.
But a select few on here have bullied her because you are high earners and think you can belittle someone for relying on some benefits?

She seems to be more together on life than any of you tbh!

Maybe like most of the worlds population she doesn't have an HB point!

You mean because HB and the like doesn't exist in many parts of the world, London?

Pink panties do read the thread, pumpkin has never been able to support 4 kids, that is why she got a hard time.