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To wonder if I'm marrying the right man?

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takesthebiscuit · 08/10/2012 13:46

The wedding is booked and paid for. Our friends have forked out for hen/stag dos, accommodation and probably gifts. If I called it off now I would feel terrible.

But I can't shake this feeling that I might be making a mistake. I don't know what to do.

I live DP, we've been together 11 years, engaged 9 and only just had the money to enable us to get married. We also have 3 DCs. Why I'm with him - he makes me laugh, he's very funny and sometimes I can't stay mad at him. We also have a lot of history and on a practical level he is a hard worker with a good job and owns his own home. Most importantly he is a good father.

BUT - he is very traditional re women's/mans roles in the house. I do everything and the cast majority of child care. I don't mind this being a SAHM but he won't help on weekends. I can't talk to him either because of his fundamental view about what my role should be. I notice this is a common theme on here though so maybe I should accept it? Perhaps he can be trained?

He acts like I should be grateful for him allowing me to live in his house. I find this very upsetting. He will sometimes accuse me of being lazy when the house is a mess but I can never get it to his standards and he underestimates how long things take and how hard it can be looking after a toddler all day. He thinks I shouldn't take her to classes etc until the house is spotless, but, I think it's good for her and the house will only get messed up again. I do my best. I also volunteer two mornings a week.

I'm beginning to lose my attraction for him. He's not a conventionally good looking bloke anyway but I have always found him physically attractive. Recently though, something has changed. His fears turn my stomach and sometimes when we're laid in bed and I've been breathing his fumes for hours I feel stabby. He eats with his mouth full. People post pictures of him drunk on FB and he looks a mess. It's embarrassing. I don't go out drinking with him anymore because he's a total teat when drunk. He's a selfish lover. I very rarely finish so to speak.

None of these things are massive issues in themselves but we are arguing a lot more recently. That could be because of the stress of the wedding, or it could be that I joined MN a couple of months ago and my views are starting to change re what is acceptable in a relationship. But I also worry that we are just incompatible and it will never work. I've changed since we met. Or is this all just cold feet and normal thought processes when it sinks in that this will be the only man I will ever be with, for the rest of my life?

I have issues with men anyway so it's not like I think I can find better. What do I do?

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LadyInDisguise · 08/10/2012 17:38

Tryharder I think the advice of getting married and then getting divorced is about trying to protect the financial security of the OP and her dcs.

It's about having a very practical hat on and doing whatever you need to do to protect yourself.

It is obvious that in some ways, it is making a mockery of the wedding and I am sure it hasn't been lost on the OP.
It is also very clear that married or not, the fall out from getting separated will be hard.

That's why this thread isn't really about getting married but about carrying on with the relationship.

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takesthebiscuit · 08/10/2012 17:39

I have tried talking to him tryharder. He doesn't listen, he is always right, always has an answer for everything. In reality he has it pretty good with me but he's still not happy.

We have talked about calling off the wedding before. He said it would be over and I would have to leave (which is always the stance if things are going wrong, I should leave and he wants me to do it NOW). He has spent a lot of money (well a lot for us anyway) on the wedding and he would never forgive me for wasting it by cancelling.

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olgaga · 08/10/2012 17:41

And by the way, I wasn't recommending OP marries him and then divorces him. I was simply pointing out that if she married him it would protect her financial position if they did eventually part.

I didn't take OP's post to mean she wanted to leave him, just that she was having second thoughts about marrying him! They have a counselling session booked - so that is an indication of willingness to make it work.

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LadyInDisguise · 08/10/2012 17:45

So he has ensured that he has put in a situation where you can NOT say NO to the wedding... :(:(:(

The more it goes the more I am thinking that you should NOT have joint counselling with this man and have counselling for yourself, on your own instead.

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takesthebiscuit · 08/10/2012 17:46

Thank you lady. The weird thing is, I consider myself a feminist too! I obviously hold lower standards for myself than I do for womankind. Sad

If I'm honest, no, I don't think he respects me enough to change, he certainly does not recognise my needs. Bottom line is he is selfish.

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EdwardorEricCantDecide · 08/10/2012 17:46

How do other people avoid becoming tied to men like this? The vast majority of womeni know are with men like my DP. They're not happy either but they accept it like I do.

Where did we go wrong that so many people on here seem to have done right? I read a lot if posts where people say how much their husbands do, how much they are appreciated. Where are these men? Why did I settle with this one and not hold out for someone better?

Are you me?
I ask myself this all the time!

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SlipperyNipple · 08/10/2012 17:49

Would she really get nothing if she left now? Wouldn't she get stuff because they have three children? She has been doing the childcare for years. She has no right to the house at all?

Genuine question.

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JustFabulous · 08/10/2012 17:49

You can not marry this man because you don't want to upset anyone else or because they have spent money. This is your life, not theirs. And you must know that your friends would not want you to marry the wrong man because they have bought a new frock. They want you to be happy.

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SlipperyNipple · 08/10/2012 17:52

This might be better in 'relationships' where there are some great people to give you advice.

Also what is the other stuff that you have not told us? Can you tell us?

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takesthebiscuit · 08/10/2012 17:52

Sorry, xpost again. Oh definitely. I am not just deciding whether to cancel the wedding but whether to make my self a single mum. With the added pressure of a time limit. I am not really in a position to leave him right now, I have nowhere to go for a start. But then I don't know if I can go through with the wedding either. Hence my dilemma.

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takesthebiscuit · 08/10/2012 17:54

The other stuff - he's had 3 affairs. I don't think he has cheated since we had DCs though.

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takesthebiscuit · 08/10/2012 17:56

Edwardo - it's hard isn't it? People say things like you deserve better. I genuinely don't know anyone better.

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OliviaLMumsnet · 08/10/2012 18:02

Hi there OP
Do let us know if you'd like us to move this thread to relationships won't you?

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takesthebiscuit · 08/10/2012 18:04

Thanks Olivia. I'm not sure really. I'm very familiar with AIBU but never been on relationships before so don't know what is best?

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JustFabulous · 08/10/2012 18:05

You know that you have to leave him for your sake and your children's future relationships sake, don't you?

There are places you can go and it will be easier once you make the decision to just do it.

Parents, friends, other relatives, B & B. Any of those an option?

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JuliaScurr · 08/10/2012 18:05
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LadyInDisguise · 08/10/2012 18:06

OP ask to move this thread to Relationship.
Go for counselling for yourself.
Perhaps even go ahead with the wedding if and only IF having taken the vows doesn't mean you will feel you HAVE to accept whatever he does because you promised 'for better for worse' and will stop you from from getting divorced if you want to.

The problem is, you only have 2 months before the wedding and the decision you are talking about isn't something you can solve in 2 weeks.

But rest assure that you do deserve better and that there ARE men out there who treat their wife/partner with respect.

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justmyview · 08/10/2012 18:07

Maybe you could approach the Council Housing Dept, speak to a solicitor etc to see where you stand. If you do decide to leave, then I'd suggest you take the children with you. If you leave without them, I think it would be extremely difficult to get them back.

You're not sounding at all happy in this relationship.

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LindyHemming · 08/10/2012 18:08

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olgaga · 08/10/2012 18:11

Slippery and others, there is information here which sets out the differences in the treatment on separation of married and cohabiting couples:

Relationship Breakdown and Divorce ? Advice and Links

It is useful if you can get to grips with the language of family law and procedure, and get an understanding of your rights, BEFORE you see a solicitor. If you are well prepared you will save time and money.

Children

If there are children involved, their welfare, needs and interests are paramount. Parents have responsibilities, not rights, in this regard. Shared residence means both parties having an equal interest in the upbringing of the children. It does not mean equal (50/50) parenting time - children are not possessions to be ?fairly? divided between separating parents.

A divorce will not be granted where children are involved unless there are agreed arrangements for finance, and care of the children (?Statement of Arrangements for Children?). It is obviously quicker and cheaper if this can be agreed but if there is no agreement, the Court will make an Order - ?Residence and Contact? regarding children, ?Financial Order? or ?Ancillary Relief? in the case of Finance. Information and links to these can be found in the Directgov link below. Residence and Contact Orders are likely to be renamed Child Arrangements Orders in future.

Always see a specialist family lawyer!

Get word of mouth recommendations for family lawyers in your area if possible. If you have children at school, ask mums you are friendly with if they know of anyone who can make a recommendation in your area. These days there are few people who don?t know of anyone who has been through a divorce or separation ? there?s a lot of knowledge and support out there!

Many family lawyers will offer the first half hour consultation free. Make use of this. Don?t just stick with the first lawyer you find ? shop around and find someone you feel comfortable with. You may be in for a long haul, so it helps if you can find a solicitor you?re happy with.

If you can?t find any local recommendations, always see a solicitor who specialises in Family Law.
You can also find out about Legal Aid and get advice on the Community Legal Advice Helpline on 08345 345 4 345
//www.direct.gov.uk/en/Dl1/Directories/UsefulContactsByCategory/Governmentcitizensandrightscontacts/DG_195356
Co-operative Legal Services offer DIY/Self-Help Divorce packages, as well as a Managed Divorce service. Their fee structure is more transparent and they have a telephone advice line as well as offering really good advice on their website:
//www.co-operative.coop/legalservices/family-and-relationships/

You can read advice and search by area for a family lawyer here:
//www.resolution.org.uk/

You will also read good advice and find a family lawyer here:
//www.divorceaid.co.uk/

Some family law solicitors publish online feedback from clients ? Google solicitors to see if you can find any recommendations or feedback.

Mediation

You will be encouraged to attend mediation. This can help by encouraging discussion about arrangements for children and finance in a structured way in a neutral setting. However, it only works if both parties are willing to reach agreement.

If there has been violence or emotional abuse, discuss this with your solicitor first. Always get legal advice, or at the very least make sure you are aware of your legal rights, before you begin mediation. This is important because while a Mediator should have knowledge of family law, and will often explain family law, they are not there to give tailored legal advice to either party - so it?s important to have that first.

Married or Living Together?

This is a key question, because if you are married, generally speaking you have greater protection when a relationship breaks down.

Legal Issues around marriage/cohabitation and relationship breakdown are explained here:
//www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/relationships_e/relationships_living_together_marriage_and_civil_partnership_e/living_together_and_marriage_legal_differences.htm#Ending_a_relationship

//www.advicenow.org.uk/living-together/

DirectGov advice on divorce, separation and relationship breakdown:
//www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Divorceseparationandrelationshipbreakdown/index.htm

Legal Rights and issues around contact are further explained here:
//www.rightsofwomen.org.uk/legal.php#children_relationship_breakdown
//www.maypole.org.uk/

I found these guides from law firms quite informative and easy to read ? there are others of course:

//www.family-lawfirm.co.uk/uploaded/documents/Surviving-Family-Conflict-and-Divorce---2nd-edition.pdf

//www.terry.co.uk/hindex.html

Finance

Before you see a family law solicitor, get hold of every single piece of financial information you have access to, and take copies or make notes. Wage slips, P60s, tax returns, employment contracts, pensions and other statements ? savings, current account and mortgages, deeds, rental leases, utility bills, council tax bills, credit statements. Are there joint assets such as a home, pensions, savings, shares?

If you have no access to financial information, or you are aware that assets are being hidden from you, then obviously you will not be able to reach agreement on finances. If there are children, as you cannot divorce without adequate arrangements being agreed on finance and children, you will have to apply for a financial order anyway. If there are no children, and you are unable to agree on finances, you will also have to apply for a financial order (follow the Direct.gov links below). This seeks financial information from both parties going back 12 months. So it is in your interests to act quickly once you have made the decision to divorce.

If you are married, the main considerations of the Family Courts where parties are unable to agree a settlement are (in no particular order of priority):

1.The welfare of any minor children from the marriage.
2.The value of jointly and individually owned property and other assets and the financial needs, obligation and responsibilities of each party.
3.Any debts or liabilities of the parties.
4.Pension arrangements for each of the parties, including future pension values and any value to each of the parties of any benefit they may lose as a result of the divorce.
5.The earnings and earning potential of each of the parties.
6.Standard of living enjoyed during the marriage.
7.The age of the parties and duration of the marriage.
8.Any physical or mental disability of either of the parties.
9.Contributions that each party may have made to the marriage, either financially or by looking after the house and/or caring for the family.

CSA maintenance calculator:
//www.csacalculator.dsdni.gov.uk/calc.asp

Handy tax credits calculator:
//www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcredits/payments-entitlement/entitlement/question-how-much.htm#7

Handy 5 Minute benefit check, tax and housing benefit calculators:
//www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/

Parenting issues:
//www.familylives.org.uk
//www.theparentconnection.org.uk

Other Support for Women ? Children, Housing, Domestic Violence
//www.womensaid.org.uk/ and refuge.org.uk/ - Helpline 0808 2000 247
//www.ncdv.org.uk/ - Helpline 0844 8044 999
//www.gingerbread.org.uk/ - Helpline 0808 802 0925
Housing //www.england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/families_and_relationships/relationship_breakdown
(Note that there is usually an appropriate link on these websites for England, Wales and Scotland where the law, advice and contact information may differ.

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MadBusLady · 08/10/2012 18:19

Blimey. Well, I was all set to some stuff about counselling and men, but having reached the end of the thread I just have to say THREE AFFAIRS? Get outta there, Biscuit!

Re the counselling you had and didn't find useful. I've been there and had very similar thoughts to you. I never had any problem navel-gazing analysing my feelings either (lots of people DO have a problem with that which I think is why counsellors bang on about it). What I wanted was practical strategies. And what I think you probably need is Cognitive Behavioural Therapy of some kind. Give it a quick google. It is about changing thought patterns and habits, in this case the patterns and habits that are making you re-enact your parents' unhealthy relationship.

How do you avoid men like this? Well, it's just a personal hobbyhorse, maybe it doesn't apply to you or your friends, but so many times in social situations I've seen the men who are shooting their big mouths off and generally acting the clown attract more attention than the ones who are actually conversing with women like normal human beings. We're so steeped in the idea that qualities like (in dating parlance) "outgoing, GSOH" are the big thing to go for. And actually a lot of those loud-mouthed men are just dickheads. Just a shot in the dark, really, wondering how you and DP met and why you were attracted to him.

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 08/10/2012 18:20

Re: "not seeing" better men. IMO people don't get the relationships they deserve, they get the relationships they THINK they deserve. You see these beautiful girls who've spent two hours getting ready out with these scummy blokes who are clearly being really offhand with them and look like they've dribbled on themselves. That's because the girls don't realise how great they are, they think they need high heels and a diet and a spray tan just to be worthy of that man, of any man - maybe they've been brought up in a sexist environment? I don't know.

If you think that someone who wants to put their cock in you and then let you cook his dinner while treating you with contempt is what you deserve, that's probably as good as you're going to get. If you raise your own expectations you suddenly "see" better men because you just discount the crappier ones without needing to think twice.

Just my theory.

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LindyHemming · 08/10/2012 18:20

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Bubblegum78 · 08/10/2012 18:20

I'm on my 2nd marriage... for different reasons to you.

BUT, I had the same doubts as you, I was worried about money spent, being on my own ect...

My marriage lasted 5 months before I walked out. Marriage made him WORSE.

If your friends and family love you they will understand (I'm sure they do).

I would talk to your parents, explain how you feel and press on them that it's not last minute jitters, you need somewhere to go.

I would simply leave (if possible) you clearly don't feel like the house is your home and from the way you describe him I think he will fight you to the death to stop you getting any "share". It may be a wrench but it's just "stuff". It can all be replaced.

Trust your instincts, people will be more cross if you get married knowing it's not right...you are deliberately wasting their time, money and emotional input.

I would move out while he is at work, take what you need, clothes/toys ect..

Then I would speak to him in the evening whilst the kids are at your parents. Explain why you have left and that you will make sure he gets regular, adequate access to the children and have no desire for it to be any more acrimonious than it needs to be.

Be prepared for the fact he may promise to change if you come home and go through with the wedding.....it it very unlikely he will keep that promise in the long run, not after being together for 11 years.

Look at it like this, it WILL be hard striking out on your own but not impossible. You can spend the next 2 years marginally unhappy whilst you rebuild your life or you can spend the rest of your life unhappy with the wrong man.

Good luck. xx

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apostropheuse · 08/10/2012 18:22

I think it would be a terrible move to marry someone that you are having major doubts about. MN has simply focussed your mind and helped you to realise that your reality isn't acceptable, nor what most womem would tolerated in 2012. I think you would only regret marrying him and then have to go through a potentially messy divorce. At the very least postpone things until you're sure of what you need/what is best for you and the children. Personally I think that I would walk away, but that's something only you can decide.

I quite understand why you're worrying about your financial status and how you would cope if you left him. I was exactly the same and stayed in a bad marriage for far too long because I had four children and didn't think I could provide for them on my own.

When I did leave not only did I find out that I was entitled to some top-up benefits to subsidise my wage, which at thiat time was quite low, but that I was actually better off than previously as I didn't have to spend money on his drinking/cigarette habits and so on.

As my confidence increased I got a better paid job and subsequently did buy my own house.

You can do it alone...it just takes planning.

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