to be fed up of George sodding Osbourne and his Knobbish Ideas

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The economy is proving harder to fix than he first thought

Solution- suggest cutting £10bn from the benefits budget and "limit the number of children people can claim for". So- are you supposed to choose your 2 favourite and just feed them then? Or what?

Dawn, thank you. I will have a look later when I have more time. It's long!

'The pot is not unlimited. But you are spectacularly missing the point. What this govt are doing is exploiting 'austerity' to make cuts to social services which they are ideologically opposed to. They are going further than Thatcher ever dared to in the 80s. They do not want an NHS - they would privatise every part of it if they could. This govt is systematically removing safeguards for the most vulnerable sections of our society (poor, disabled, children) and doing it under the "all in this together" banner.'

Completely agree with this Bialy. I really can't understand why people can't see through the Tory rhetoric.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos so you think they all need it?
like hell, my mate is just over 60 , he still works and gets it.

Pensioners are the biggest growing section of society. plus they vote.

politicians are not going to piss them off.

No, I don't think they all need it. But for a country that charges everyone it possibly can in tax, I don't disagree with some small universal benefits.

I don't think people need as much in tax credits as they get either. I'd rather tax from people who are young enough to make a difference than the elderly who are in the last stage of their lives.

oh FUCKINELL

Why do you think the state is there for people with disabilities, carers etc?

They're not. We're being thrown this shit just like everyone else.

I'm currently panicking on how we're going to survive on £100 a week less.

Outraged many pensioners don't need it,it's a complete waste of money.We'll be lucky to have pensions let alone a WFA.

If pensioners want us youngsters to keep their NHS and pensions(which in years to come will look very generous compared to what we'll get) going they're going to have to realise squandering money on WFA for many that aren't even here in the winter or who are well to fabulously well off isn't prudent and certainly won't win voters.

The country can't afford to keep Cameron's voters happy in order to help him do better at the next election.

Prairie, we couldn't afford for Gordon Brown to do exactly that either.

But, Glitter, your poor, why don't you just stop being poor? Surely it's a choice? Can't you just go and pick sone money off the Money trees or however you poor people find money?

So, pensioners in Portugal going without their WFP or parents of disabled children making the heat/eat decision?

Which is more important?

Oh fuckitt PS I forgot I made the CHOICE to have disabled children

Glitterknickaz so right
so let them keep that and take the money from the disabled who are already struggling to exist.

Prairie - This country can't afford to do many things it still does.

Prairie, I don't disagree with you. But I don't see why pensioners should have to change their way of thinking, when according to MN, people who can't afford children shouldn't have to.

So many places cuts could be made.
House of commons' subsidised bar, bringing MP expenses down to bare minimum...

oh yes but easier to target the disabled, they have no voice.

From memory, Glitter, your children are on the autistic spectrum and the diagnosis of autism has been going up in recent years. I would love to see how levels of rising autism correlates with levels of increased chemical use.

Quite frankly, capitalism sucks!

'I find it astounding that someone can begrudge OAPs who have worked and paid into the system a winter fuel payment, but think others who have never worked a day in their lives should be given more than enough to live on.'

All of them? I know many who never had a paying job in their lives and whatever their dead husband paid in, it's peanuts compared to what they're taking out.

I see no reason why they should be exempted from their share of cuts same as all the rest of us.

Thing is PS if it was that simple they'd have nailed it by now - the cause is far more complex unfortunately.

But yeah autism is one of their disabilities. There are others.

?How can we justify the incomes of those out of work rising faster than the incomes of those in work?? George asked.

No need, George, because it's nonsense, isn't it?

A paltry sum on top of very little looks, as a percentage increase, like a good deal; a few grand on top of 30k doesn't compare so favourably.

Unless you look at the actual sums of money involved.

From memory, Glitter, your children are on the autistic spectrum and the diagnosis of autism has been going up in recent years. I would love to see how levels of rising autism correlates with levels of increased chemical use.

Rising levels of autism is a fallacy. Diagnosis levels are on the increase but prevalence studies conducted in the UK since autism was first identifie are consistent. The same number of people have it today as 60 years ago, they're just more likely to be diagnosed now.

TM08 "i've been hearing lots of 'solutions' from my well-off friends this morning. "Force people to get a contraception injection before they get any benefits", "make them do drug tests each week".

I have never heard such ideas from well off folk but have often heard this from poorer folk who are actually claiming tax credits themselves

PrincessSymbian
Quite frankly, capitalism sucks!

There writes someone who has never lived under the alternatives.