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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to feel that most females have been the victim of some kind of sexual abuse?

638 replies

SoleSource · 05/10/2012 14:46

AIBU?

I was very nearly raped by a taxi driver. Also my cries of NO have been ignored on a couple of occasions.

OP posts:
antsypants · 08/10/2012 06:37

Just realised that sentence looked like my mother was there about my lack of sex life, there should have been a comma, apologies

LittleAbruzzenBear · 08/10/2012 06:38

FolkGirl I'm right with you on your comment about anyone supporting page 3, porn etc.

FrankieMyDearIDontGiveADamn · 08/10/2012 06:54

'Just wanted to say that because if you feel like someone is abusing you in some way, or being inappropriate, chances are they are..'

That is just such a powerful statement to me antsy

I have had a lot of experiences where comments or actions have made me uncomfortable, but just assumed that it was me and my issues, and the whole world just took things in their stride.

But that is quite empowering. There are some men in my life that I feel comfortable around...but time after time just weary that so many think it is OK to push boundaries that I really, seriously haven't given permission to be pushed.
And just think I am a freak Sad

It is sad that so many are on here. But whilst I wouldn't wish any of it on anyone... feel some comfort that it isn't just me being a screwed up mess.

antsypants · 08/10/2012 07:16

"There are some men in my life that I feel comfortable around...but time after time just weary that so many think it is OK to push boundaries that I really, seriously haven't given permission to be pushed.
And just think I am a freak"

I understand this sentiment so clearly, it is exactly how I feel.

LineRunner · 08/10/2012 09:31

I have googled for two hours, further to my posts last night about the insurance doctor and his unpleasant breast examination.

I can't find a single insurance company that says that it includes a breast examination in its physical exam, but I found one American one that specifically says that 'sensitive areas like breast exams are NOT included'.

Also the way the doctor did the exam is not normal.

Latara · 08/10/2012 10:34

I feel very sad to read that many MNers have had such bad experiences with Drs - i'm glad to say that i've never had problems like that with male GPs or hospital Drs, so there are some decent male Drs around - i was just lucky there i suppose.

My family GP was particularly sensitive to the fact that i had issues with men in my childhood; he would always offer appointments with female Drs, or offer to request a chaperone even if i just needed my stomach pressing.

I used to take the Pill but both male & female GPs only gave out leaflets on Self-Checking for breast lumps - no GP has ever asked to examine my breasts.

I have always kept my bra on when Drs had to listen to my chest when i've had chest infections.

I will say that as a Staff Nurse myself i've had bad experiences (harrassment etc) from a few male nurses & doctors as colleagues - i didn't deal with them very well either.

One Dr in particular made me scared for my safety - he locked me in his house & tried to attack me but i got away. I thought he was a friend & went round for a coffee (literally just that) because he'd said he was depressed. We sat in his lounge & i was wearing loose tunic & trousers, a coat & no make up ffs. I never ever flirted with him.
We talked; he'd been his usual self then it was like he changed into a different person & said i couldn't leave.
He was much taller & i think i only escaped because i'm 2 stone overweight & was weight training, which he didn't know about.

He never drank alcohol.
As soon as i got away he texted to apologise & begged forgiveness - i felt guilty for some stupid reason & never reported him - i wish now that i had.
He's moved on to another part of the country with his wife who has moved here from abroad to join him - i do worry about her.
I only ever saw him being professional towards patients so i hope that remains the case.
The problem is that there is only his word against mine so i couldn't report it now anyway; I fought him off before anything could happen & it was 2 years ago now.

Also there is an anesthetist still at my workplace who pestered & actually tried to assault me when i was younger & i was intimidated by him.

I got the courage to be very clear to him that his behaviour was wrong & he stopped. Now i would report straight away, but again it's too late & i can't remember exactly when the incidents (there were several) happened. I think it may have been 6 years ago but not sure.
However, he seems to behave totally professionally with female patients & always request chaperones.

Other nurses say they've never had problems with him or they actually flirt with him! - i think he felt he could pester me because i'd dated a friend of his.
That's no excuse though.
He seems a lot older & wiser now, i hope that continues.

I've had problems with patients too & have seen other nurses, especially young students, experience the same thing. The clinical leaders just act like it's a normal thing to expect - same with racist patients. But these patients are young to late middle aged men; not elderly men with dementia.
I've often found myself telling patients not to behave inappropriately when it isn't my job.

The main issues around reporting for women seem to be shame, a misplaced sense of guilt, the cleverness of the abusers at making their victims feel guilty; & the fact that some women sadly either tolerate or belittle the behaviour of the abusers; so you feel you won't be believed.

I'm now dieting but will start weight training again so i will still feel strong & not so vulnerable - it's an illusion maybe but it's better than nothing. It's hard to want to be thin when you know how vulnerable it can make you - but i'm trying my best now.

Sorry for the essay.

I could write a lot more but no way could i do that, i'd rather try to pretend earlier stuff didnt happen.

Seenenoughtoknow · 08/10/2012 10:49

Folk girl - you're absolutely right, I posted a similar post further back.

rockinhippy · 08/10/2012 10:54

YANBU

blisterpack · 08/10/2012 10:58

I am really shocked and upset at a lot of these posts. Especially the doctor ones. Really horrible.

Thankfully I have never had any such incidents happen to me. As for doctors, my mother always came with me to the doctors until well into adulthood(!) so I've never been examined by male doctors alone. And later as an adult for "girl stuff" I always ask for the female GP at our surgery.

FolkGhoul · 08/10/2012 11:14

Sorry, seenenough, didn't see that!

But then great minds do think alike Grin

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 08/10/2012 11:18

Folkgirl, I'm right with you on the porn, page3, lapdancing etc.

I've never had a breast examination, ever. I went on the pill in 1989 and was prob on it for about 10 years. Never had one during pregnancy or for life insurance either. I always had female doctors, who would just hand me the leaflet about self-examination. So sorry for those of you that had bad experiences with doctors - they are in such a position of trust.

Agree with the poster who said if it felt wrong, it probably was :(

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 08/10/2012 11:18

Oh, and seenenough - right with you too :)

Minkymum · 08/10/2012 11:20

Raped as an innocent 13 year old, in my school uniform, by a 17 year old stranger (has affected me all my life and only gets worse). Coerced to get into a car for a 'job interview' at 16 (I didn't and the man angrily screeched away.) Followed home at night by a stranger and trapped in a phone box at 20. Didn't report any of these incidents and I don't know why. Only recently a 60 year old neighbour has been visiting me at home on the pretence of delivering something then attempting to kiss me. I don't understand why this behaviour makes me freeze, when I will happily speak in front of hundreds.

I'm friendly and polite and it has been misread in the past. I have two teenage daughters and, because they are friendly and polite too, I fear for them. My husband, a good man, thinks that my story must be unusual and I'm overprotective as a consequence. This thread has over 500 responses, so I know I'm far from unusual. It sounds like a mums net campaign would help (she says hopefully).

mirry2 · 08/10/2012 11:41

Yes Minky I think many of us have been brought up to be friendly and polite and quite rightly are passing this on to our daughter. However I now realise that it is often misplaced. How many times have I been assualted in some way but have been too polite to complain to the person. My past response has been to put up with it or laugh it off especially when the person has apologiesed afterwards.
The problems is imo that we don't know who to report it to or how far we should take it. I know I've worried that I could ruin a career (mine or his) or not be beleived, or think I've exaggerrated it in my own mind. There should be clear and published guidelines enshrined in employment law as well as in the community so that we (and the men who may not realise that their behaviour is wrong) can be educated and protected

oohlaalaa · 08/10/2012 11:50

YANBU.

Had a drunken family friend stroke my leg one night (didn't get higher than thigh), it was New Years Eve, and I was 16 and he was about 50.

I quickly moved away, didn't tell anyone, and was quite embarrassed. It seems like nothing compared to everyone else on this thread, but I think we all seem to have at least one occasion.

FreudiansGoldSlipper · 08/10/2012 11:57

i have just remembered last year ds and i went on the bumper cars at brighton and the guy there insisted on helping me put on the seat belt in the end i moved away laughed and said its ok thanks i can do it. why did i not tell him to stop perving did not need to be confrontational as ds was there but i just laughed because i felt embarrassed but i had done nothing wrong. not a great example to set in front of ds but he is only 3 still i am angry at myself

i am so glad younger women (not all) do not seem to fear being upfront when they need to not get all embarrassed of causign a scene

FreudiansGoldSlipper · 08/10/2012 11:59

he was not perving... that is letting him off he was trying to touch my boobs and he did :(

oohlaalaa · 08/10/2012 12:01

Just remembered on the underground once, it was a packed train, and the bloke behind me rubbed himself against me. Took me a minute to realise, as I thought it was just the movement of the busy train, and amount of bodies.... Felt cross with him and myself for letting him get away with it, for a short amount of time.

Minkymum · 08/10/2012 12:16

Really want to be able to tell my girls the right thing to do and say in these circumstances, but if I, a grown woman find it difficult, how are they going to manage it? Any advice would be most welcome.

FreudiansGoldSlipper · 08/10/2012 12:39

i think i am going to start a thread on advice and what we have done to show those that cross a line up

Annakin31 · 08/10/2012 12:40

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FryingNemo · 08/10/2012 13:09

YANBU.

There are 5 things I remember.

  • Men trying to pick me up as I walked home from school when I was 13. I was in school uniform FFS!
  • Being groped on a school activity holiday.
  • Being picked up, as in picked up off my feet and groped by a man when I was out one evening with a friend (female friend).
  • Having a 'friend' who was staying overnight on the sofa downstairs creep upstairs in the middle of the night into my bed.
  • Being propositioned at a railway station for oral sex by a complete stranger.

I am sure there are more. I hate how this makes me feel.

Bonsoir · 08/10/2012 13:11

Yes, I agree with the OP. I think my parents and the generation of adults (teachers etc) that "brought me up" were deeply naïve and failed to arm their daughters.

ithinkimightbegoingmad · 08/10/2012 13:19

i think this thread itself, would send a good message to our dcs

i rmember for a long time being in denial, because 'nice girls' dont get raped/assualted; thinking people would think I was seedy/ a slut/ leading people on.

Its good for girls to realise just how common it is...and it can happen to anyone, anytime, anywhere AND it is not your fault! Smile

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmm · 08/10/2012 13:21

We were just taught to be polite and not make a scene.. failure to arm, indeed. I thank god for my height at times like this because i know my stature has gotten me out of a lot of situations that could have turned nasty.

Still think mace and cattle prods should be handed out to all ladies.. lol
Before i get flamed for being medieval i am joking.

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