to not want school to teach my kids how to speak in the way the teachers wants?

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Having irish accents the teacher of some of my kids has told me they would do little speech classes so they speak different.. its not the accent but its things like saying 'ting' not 'thing' and dat not that and stuff like that really.. I think.. I don't think it is important enough to waste time doing? But maybe I am wrong?

I'm laughing as I've remembered my friend always says she has 'the scutters' when she has the shits :o

Scut means "c**t". Google the song Oyster nan....

It's interesting that you says the "d" sound is widespread in Dublin squoosh - a few other posters said they haven't come across it in Dublin. I wasn't sure because I only lived there for a few months and worked with D4s.

DH calls it the "green apple splatters." Far too descriptive for my liking. We now say "the squits" which is evocative but not painterly if you get me.

I don't think it means 'cunt' in Ireland!

We don't actually have words for those parts of the body as far as I'm aware.

Nah it doesn't mean cunt. Ladies in Ireland don't have cunts. Fact.

Accept that scut may have more than one meaning though. If someone was calling children it I'd expect it not to be what I know it as!

A fanny in Ireland is a Finoulla is it not?

Green apple splatters :o

My DP calls the shits Bum Bisto

Of course it's widespread in Dublin, to claim anything else is ridiculous. Not everyone says dis or dat but lots of people do.

I'm a D4er myself and even I have a slightly hardened th, not a 'd', but definitely not an English RP 'th'.

I've never heard of a fanny being referred to as a Fionnuala. I have a cousin with that name, will phone and ask her!

LRD, going back to the "far/bar" video: It was part of an essay on perception, but painfully relevant to this thread I think! I can't find it again, but it would be fairly easy to reproduce.

The video shows a man saying nothing but "bar" and "far" repeatedly. The soundtrack, however, is a loop of him saying "far". He never says "bar" but, even when you know this, you can't help hearing the B sound when his lips form it.

It fascinates me for two reasons: I'm interested in neuropsychology, and I have a very good ear for language. When I read the link about an Irish 'broad T', I got it immediately although I don't recall having heard it specifically. However ... The point about the perception video is that people hear what they expect to hear. All of you insisting you're right and know precisely how one sound differs from another, knowing how it's formed, are ... plain ... wrong. When you look at a person forming a B but sounding F, you will hear B.

This obviously reinforces what others have said about people hearing "T" or "D" when the Irish speaker says "Th". If the listener isn't used to hearing a squashed Th, they'll hear what it looks like. No tongue sticking out, correct? And it's a dental consonant, so it must be T or D.

So, basically, everyone's talking out of their very erudite arses

Glad you got the teacher sorted out, bella! Hope it goes well for your DC ... or should that be "Thee Cee"

Confused. It's one thing to say dat or ting but they need to know how to spell the words properly and differentiate between the times to use one or the other way of speaking.
You can't cover all that when very young but slowly build the blocks. You're setting their worldwide future.

Talking in any accent type is one thing. I'm cockney/Thames estuary. I sure as dammit know when to play that up though or tone it down. Give them that choice. Broaden horizons don't limit them is all I mean, within who they are.

Can someone tell me if "D4" is a "posh" area of Dublin? I ask because one of my grannies was always saying how her father's family were "well to do". I found an old postcard the other day from Sandymount, D4. Just curious to see if she was blethering or not!

Ooh, that's cool!

DH just leaned over my shoulder and he say he's seen in and will show me.

So, this is the same that someone else said, that in one Irish accent there is a distinct difference between 'th' and 't' (or 'd'), but it's not the same 'th' as in English accents? Or is it more about perception?

And what do Irish ladies have instead of cunts?

apostropheuse D4 is considered quite posh. In fact it's often considered too posh, when something is described as 'very D4' it generally isn't intended to be complimentary.

I care not a jot!

Sandymount is lovely, I went to primary school there.

Lol! Oh, please repost the link, LRD. Well done, that DH :)

I have the impression it's similar to that Spanish T/D sound - more on the back of the teeth, and lasting a bit longer than a T.

Cunths

You don't want to know LRD!!

Apostropheuse, D4 is indeed the posh part of Dublin. It has a very particular accent - something like .

I think it's ridiculous to try to rein in language development to the originating country's accent, tbh. It's not like we're all speaking Conquest era Norman French now. Or Anglo-Saxon, either. And has anyone read any Chaucer? Language is living. It mutates - you may as well try to correct American English along British lines.

Language evolves. It's what it does. That's why so many words aren't spoken as spelled, and so many rhymes from poems a few centuries ago no longer work at all. It's Ireland, not RP as spoken on the BBC World at One. As long as their spoken English is in line with mainstream Irish pronunciation, and won't close off any opportunities to them in their own home country, then it's fine. It actually makes me really uneasy that people could say otherwise.

Dublin ladies have gee's instead of cunts. Or a melt.

Oh well there you go she wasn't romanticising then!

A "melt"....oh I love that!

Just noticed "scut means cunt"! Nooooo, you call a bold child a scut! We aren't that fucking sweary!

CailinDana....your link was very funny!

You're a fierce scut! Now that's a phrase that brings back memories.

In fact, I wish "fierce" was used more as an adjective, tis great. DH says it sometimes to make me smile :)

Hehe Apostropheuse - "traditional homes for traditional people" "they really hate the GAYS"