to not want school to teach my kids how to speak in the way the teachers wants?

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Having irish accents the teacher of some of my kids has told me they would do little speech classes so they speak different.. its not the accent but its things like saying 'ting' not 'thing' and dat not that and stuff like that really.. I think.. I don't think it is important enough to waste time doing? But maybe I am wrong?

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I presume you don't need that a translation LRD?

• apologies again for iPad. I meant "I presume you don't need a translation LRD?"

I'm sorry if I've offended you what. I'm not sure how or why, though.

I'm finding all these "you don't know what you're talking about and I'm not going to tell you why, just make an arch and oblique insult in your general direction" type posts very confusing, I'm afraid.

Whatwhatwhat you are going to have to spell out to me whether "th" is in fact originally an Irish Gaelic sound or not. I have no idea. Humour me, tell me.

No, I don't speak it. I am still very sure that there is a good historical reason for 'ting' as a pronunciation in Irish: that 'th' is not a common sound in most languages.

It's the same with Cornish: you listen to someone speak in a Cornish accent, and 'th' sounds a bit like 'z'. It doesn't mean Cornish people are somehow incapable of making that sound. It simply means that they have an accent where they habitually don't.

This was pretty much my understanding of it:

www.economist.com/blogs/johnson/2011/04/consonants

Of course, if I am wrong, I'm happy to be corrected by a native speaker.

I've got to say, if I am wrong about Irish, I still think teaching a child to change his or her accent is not right, whatever the reasons for that accent might be.

The 'th' sound as pronounced in English doesn't exist in Gaelic, you're right LRD, this is where the dis/dat pronunciation originates from.

Thanks, squoosh.

I tink dat's me done. Sure de Economist says so! Dey must be right.

Táim ag tnúth le labhairt leat as Gaelige arís LRD. Presuming you're able to of course.

I have already told you, I don't speak it.

I said that was my understanding of the situation.

If you know better, do explain.

They're referring back to David Crystal's work, and he is generally quite well respected as a linguist.

Cén fáth go bfhuil fearg an domhain ort a Whatwhawhat?

I agree that there is no 'th' as it is spoken in English in the Irish language however there are words in Irish that begin with 't' that are not pronounced with the classic English t sound either...words like 'tá' and many Irish people (not all obviously as accents vary as does pronunciation depending on which Irish dialect is spoken) use that sound rather than English 'th' sound when pronouncing words like 'this' so they have no difficultly in distinguishing between 'th', 'd' and 't'. Many English people however not being attuned to the Irish t as in 'tá' do not hear that difference in pronunciation. This www.irishgaelictranslator.com/translation/topic1604.html explains it so much better than I can.

the 'th' sound as pronounced in English doesn't exist in Gaelic
But that in no way prohibits native Irish speakers from pronouncing it when speaking English, squoosh

Ah, that's really interesting, that's presumably what the OP's children are doing then? And the teacher just can't hear the different sounds?

Cén fáth go bfhuil fearg an domhain ort a Whatwhawhat?

I am a Dubliner, as are my children and I do not say dat or ting, nor do my children, and if they did they would be corrected. It does not sound right to my ear. Similarly when people say 'I done that' or 'I seen that' I have an almost instinctive urge to correct them as it just sounds so wrong
(of course I don't though!)

It's ridiculous to say that all Irish people speak in this way.

I don't think anyone is saying all Irish people speak this way.

I think grammatical errors are different from pronunciation. One has a standard form, the other doesn't.

If someone doesn't know that 'I done' isn't standard English grammar, they need to know.

Cote if you actually read my posts you will see that I never once said all Irish people say "dis" and "dat", in fact I said maybe three or four times that it tends to be mainly a midlands thing, and not even all of the midlands at that. It's present in some parts of the southwest too, but still again it's not everywhere.

Again Julia for your benefit absolutely no one on this thread has said all Irish people speak this way. Boy but it fucks me off when posters make up fantasise something another poster has said and then argue against it. It's so annoying.

LRD - squoosh asked "Why is the anger of the world on you Whatwhatwhat?" (literal translation - it obviously means why are you so angry).

Whatwhat is not angry with the world, squoosh, her opinion is as valid as anybody else's.

Ah, x posted.