aibu (and overly pfb) to ask my anti vaccination family to vaccinate themselfs against whooping cough before they come and visit my new baby at christmas?

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I'm wondering if I am being completely over the top. I don't live in tge UK, the country where I live don't habe a whooping cough problem so they are not offering tge vaccine to pregnant women. I went ti my Dr this morning to ask him if I could have the vaccine as we plan to travel to tge UK before the baby has his 1st vaccinations (3 months here) the Dr said there is no way for me to get tge vaccination here in Sweden even privately.

I think we will just wait to come to tge UK till after the baby's first vaccinations.

My family, parents and siblings (one of my siblings is a child) are coming to visit us at christmas, the baby will be only a week or two old. My family are anti vaccinations, the sibling who is a child has not been vaccinated I'm not sure about everyone else.

I have the option of traveling to tge UK and getting the vaccine myself, this would be costly and hard work as I'm heavily pregnant.

It is ridiculous Leonie. Its as ridiculous as taking credit about any over aspect of your children's abilities, whether they are good at running or drawing or talk early or whatever. They are just the way they are.

For what its worth my oldest had her vaccinations late and was always poorly as a baby. My second had them on time and is much stronger in that way. It doesn't mean anything.

Its actually supposed to be a good thing to get colds and other illnesses as its good for the immune system.

Are you intending on taking your DC on any car journeys? Because I'm sure they are statistically more dangerous than having contact with unvaccinated relatives.

Are you intending on taking your DC on any car journeys? Because I'm sure they are statistically more dangerous than having contact with unvaccinated relatives.

I will take him out in the car but we have a very very safe car and I will use a rear facing car seat till he is about 4. I do worry lots about cars.

3 monkeys I'm glad your dd is better it must have been a really scary time for you whilst she was tiny.

Leonie you are the one who came in saying silly things like your kids are Healthier by a wide, wide margin and I can promise you, my children are healthier inside because they have not had their bodies violated by th toxins in jabs I'm not interested in why you or anyone else chooses not to vaccinate their kids I am interested in how to protect my own child against an illness. You made this into a little argument about pro and anti vaccination, why don't you find people that want your opinion on vaccinations because there is no way anything you are going to say (especially when you are say things that are ridiculous and laughable like your kids are healthier on the inside) will change my mind.

There are a lot of things relatively more dangerous than some others - it does not mean we should not worry about the less dangerous ones. WC kills babies.

A scientific study would never be used with only two data points. Two is not statistically significant.
My daughter was bf for 9 months and vaccinated including the BCG and three lots of MMR (she is 4) and is rarely ill for more than a couple of days at a time. None of these things are related or statistically significant.
My sister had WC as a child. It was no fun for my parents. My parents both had measles and were really ill. Thankfully all of us have been vaccinated and are unlikely to get these illnesses these days.

Leonie your children may be healthy now... But what about if they catch WC or measles?

my kids are less ill the older they get. Its exposure to bacteria and toxins etc that build immunity. we all need a small amount of it for our bodys to make the correct antibodies so the theory behind jabbing pregnant women is the antibodies are passed through the placenta to baby.
If we didn't have all these vaccines we would see a lot more people die from serious illnesses, back to Victorian times hey.
I for one would do anything to stop my kids contracting the likes of menengitis, my mums sister is mentally answer physically handicap thanks to menengitis. up to the age of 3 she was a healthy child. she now has the mental ability of a 5 year old, had to be helped to walk and needs taking the toilet. She also lost the use of one side of her body. These diseases are killers and I would hate to play Russian roulette with my kids health.

You suspect your child had WC this summer?
You aren't worried about measles?

Numerical, you didn't read, it was explained before that the children are not sick longer than 24 hours, they are just so healthy. Even though in most cases WC would last for weeks or even months. If they ever caught tetanus or polio, they would just sneeze and that's it.

Leonie. You've just been lucky, that's it. Lets hope that the luck doesn't run out, for your children's sake seeing as they have no choice in the matter.

Children die from measles. Children don't die from measles vaccine. No brainer.

I'm not interested in why you or anyone else chooses not to vaccinate their kids well said.

Leonie - you suspect your child had WC and you think that's good. She, I am almost certain, didn't.
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There are nine mothers out their whose babies definitely did have WC and it killed them.

You don't want vaccinations that fine. But I have never such ridiculous arguments, with no basis. Especially when the OP didn't ask about if she shoudl vaccinate her child.

Leonie. Do you honestly think neither of your children will ever either catch one of there illnesses or that they just won't get it bad? Because you do know some can die don't you so i am wondering why you are so sure this won't happen to yours?

Children die from car accidents too - don't see you giving up the car.

No but we all buy nice safe child seats to give our children the best chance if they are in a car crash.

Its a risk assessment and IN OUR FAMILY the vaccines would be worse than any issues from the diseases. so you think the vaccines will kill your child?

To assess risk properly, one must use the scientific evidence on those risks. It's a belief, a lifestyle, a faith. It's not a risk assessment.

So you are competent enough to make such risk assessments and you know what all of those "any issues" are that any of the vaccine-preventable diseases could cause. But you can only guess that your children might have had WC and rubella?

I thought Leonie's dc only had whooping cough for a day, can you imagine what the Dr would have said if she had gone in and said her DC had whooping cough, the Dr would just say no I think she just has a cough.

In another thread where she proudly insisted her dd had wc, she said she had it for 6 weeks. I sincerely hope she kept her dd home from school rather than spreading it around if she thought she had whooping cough. Not all children are as lucky as to be as brilliantly health and robust as her children are. I think the recommendation is to stay home for three weeks if you haven't taken antibiotics (unless Leonie self prescribed those)

What a stupid comparison.

I think a better comparison is letting your children ride in the car without seatbelts (not vaccinating) or strapping them in (vaccinating).

my MIL is anti vax. She's a stark raving bonkers loon in all things, so the anti vax stance is in keeping with this.

Its a risk assessment and IN OUR FAMILY the vaccines would be worse than any issues from the diseases.

Hahahahahhahahahaha, oh please tell me you're joking. In your family vaccines are worse than death. You are joking aren't you. You have to be. The only other explaination is that you're stark raving bonkers.