aibu (and overly pfb) to ask my anti vaccination family to vaccinate themselfs against whooping cough before they come and visit my new baby at christmas?

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I'm wondering if I am being completely over the top. I don't live in tge UK, the country where I live don't habe a whooping cough problem so they are not offering tge vaccine to pregnant women. I went ti my Dr this morning to ask him if I could have the vaccine as we plan to travel to tge UK before the baby has his 1st vaccinations (3 months here) the Dr said there is no way for me to get tge vaccination here in Sweden even privately.

I think we will just wait to come to tge UK till after the baby's first vaccinations.

My family, parents and siblings (one of my siblings is a child) are coming to visit us at christmas, the baby will be only a week or two old. My family are anti vaccinations, the sibling who is a child has not been vaccinated I'm not sure about everyone else.

I have the option of traveling to tge UK and getting the vaccine myself, this would be costly and hard work as I'm heavily pregnant.

YANBU. babies have died from whooping cough so you are doing your best to protect your baby. Nothing wrong with that.
But, protecting your baby might be as simple as leaving a trip to the UK until your baby is able to be vaccinated if you're that concerned. There will be unvaccinated people all around on a trip to the UK, not just your family, including on a flight with re-conditioned air circulating throughout.

kids have it at 2 3 & 4 months old and it might be in the pre school booster which is 3.5 years old. Most adults over the age of 40 won't be immune unless they have had the disease themselves as its only been the last 40 years the vaccine has been given.
Its supposed to be offered up to 38 week pregnancy so you can make antibodies to pass onto baby.
Am I supposed to say to my husband, mum, dad, sister, brother etc etc to not come round and see the baby?

Is there any reason to suspect your family will catch whooping cough? Or chicken pox? or anything else?

Apparetnly you are monkeys - in fact better keep everyone away, including baby's father.

I don't think it's unreasonable to say no unvaccinated visitors until after your DC has had jabs and enough time has passed that they would take effect.

Its threads like these that make mums like me (who live in the UK and due in the next week or two) panic. Stop scare mongering please, I can't control who my baby comes into contact with for the next two months. I have two other children, school runs to do and family that are un vaccinated. If you don't want your child to catch it don't come to the UK.

PFB-a-rama.

Are you going to demand vax certificates from every midwife that attends you during the birth? Who looks after the baby after birth? How about every single health professional who comes near your child? People in supermarkets? They could be rife with disease. RIFE.

Unless you think your family are actively unwell, I think you would be nuts to insist on innoculation before they visit. The population of the UK are mostly healthy, its not a hotbed of disease. Why us everyone going bonkers about whooping cough anyway, is it the disease du jour?

While she was pregnant, my cousin requested this from pretty much everyone (family member) who intended to come into contact with her newborn. It ended up only being the two grandmothers who went and had the vaccine, as they were the ones who were going to have the most contact with the newborn. My friend's brother also requested this of his parents and his ILs before they met their new GS, and all were duly vaccinated. I sort of feel it is a bit over the top, but at the same time whooping cough is very scary. All the relevant doctors did it with no questions asked, no charge, but this is in Oz which has a horrible whooping cough epidemic.

Welsh its the new bird flu, swine flu, sars etc

The NHS on whooping cough
There is a current outbreak. All of the fatalities are children under seven weeks. I dont think this is being PFB. Id be doing the same thing myself. Theres a bit of a difference between taking your baby out in public, where other people are in the general vicinity, than having a house full of people who want to cuddle, kiss and breathe all over said baby.
Ever seen a child struggling to breathe? My dd choked on a fish bone once. She went purple and was terrified. Imagine dealing with that for 3 months. 2 kids in her class have WC. Its a very real issue.

saggy I live in the UK, how am I supposed to avoid people? & the nhs are not going to vaccinate everyone, there just won't be enough money or supply to do that. & yes I have seen a child almost die from not being able to breath. My son almost choked 6 months ago and turned blue. How is this helping people who are due very soon to relax when the gp surgerys keep saying "we don't have any vaccine" & "we don't know when its coming in"
I want people to stop scare mongering please, its stressful enough being ready to drop without people telling you babies are dying of whooping cough.

If I lived in the UK it wouldn't be a problem because I'd have tge vaccination when I was pregnant.

As for the payment for healthcare for the baby he would be treated as a British baby born aboard until he gets his Swedishcitizenship which will take weeks if not months.

Regarding the vaccine I'm sure if I went to the local Dr near my parents house they would give me the vaccine, they gave me a 12 week ultrasound knowing full well I lived aboard.

It is good to here so many people saying it is unreasonable it makes me less panicky about the situation :)

A lot of the current whooping cough is being spread by those who have been vaccinated (adults in particular as w/c is harder to spot in adults).

My kids have never managed to catch anything from an unvaccinated child, but have caught whooping cough and rubella from vaccinated children.

I would ask anyone who was ill to keep away from a newborn. I wouldn't care whether they had been vaccinated or not.

So what you're saying is that people should pretend that babies don't die of whooping cough? I don't understand why saying something that is factual is scaremongering? For the record, I didn't vaccinate either of my newborns against TB, even though we were in an area with a comparable rate of TB infection to India, because I didn't think it was necessary, so I'm not crazy vaccinate-everyone-against-anything-lady, but I don't think worrying about pertussis, when there is a UK outbreak, is being overly precious. I would ask them not to come if they don't want to be vaccinated.

Of course YABU, if the family are anti vaccination. Why should they change their principles on your account?

In your shoes I would explain they will have to wait until your baby has had their jabs. It is something they will have to accept. I am not anti vaccination, and I asked people who had a cold not to visit when I first had my pfb (also had a c-section so sneezing/coughing would have been a nightmare!). I've never asked people if they've had vaccinations against certain diseases, but I don't think you are U to worry.

exactly saintly anyone who is ill regardless of it being a cold or chicken pox should stay away from a newborn.
If your in the UK where do you draw the line with whooping cough. My husband or father in law or perhaps my elderly grandparents who are in their 90's & won't have been vaccinated.

Aren't pertussis outbreaks cyclical anyway? I'm aware that its a dangerous illness for babies(and unpleasant fir sdukts, i had it eatlier this year) but vax immunity will have worn off for ALL adults not boosted recently, and there will be plenty of people in close contact with babies with zero immunity. I don't really understand the hysteria, it's not something that I'd insist on and DD was a SCBU baby.

Monkeys, please don't feel worried. Just make sure your baby is vaxed on schedule.

As for the payment for healthcare for the baby he would be treated as a British baby born aboard until he gets his Swedishcitizenship which will take weeks if not months.

No he won't. He will be treated as a dependent of a Swedish resident and will be covered by the Swedish NHS, just as you are.

Regarding the vaccine I'm sure if I went to the local Dr near my parents house they would give me the vaccine, they gave me a 12 week ultrasound knowing full well I lived aboard.

I'm sure they would. It would still be defrauding the NHS of treatment you are not entitled to though.

The problem with WC is that it presents as a mild illness at first. The patient is infectious before they start to 'whoop' and adults don't 'whoop' anyway.

OP - I don't think you are pfb at all. This is a very serious situation. I would not knowingly let unvaccinated children in my home to see a newborn atm. Either they vaccinate or they wait.

You might like (or not!) to read the post by NukuSpot at 6:27 am at www.mothering.com/community/t/1356261/whooping-cough-vaccinations. My worry would be that even vaccinated people can be carrying the bacterium so the vaccinations would give you a false sense of security.

thanks Welsh I was pregnant with my daughter during the swine flu outbreak and felt exactly the same, everyone stressed me out by going on and on about it.

I think you would be better off waiting for your baby to have their vaccinations before traveling tbh, unless you intend staying indoors, locked away from everyone for the entire time you are in the UK you cannot protect your baby compeltely. I do understand your concerns, and don't want to belittle them, but I think YABU to ask people to have a vaccination that they don't want to have. You have the right to ask people to not visit, but it seems a little pointless to visit the UK if you are not going to allow visitors? What about friends? Will you vet all of them, ask whether they have been vaccinated against everything? There is nothing at all wrong with explaining that your baby hasn't had their vaccinations YET, and you would appreciate it if anyone who is unwell stays away, I would do the same, but I think that's as far as you can reasonably go.

No he won't. He will be treated as a dependent of a Swedish resident and will be covered by the Swedish NHS, just as you are.

There was a child recently refused emergency treatment in a Swedish a and e department because they didn't have Swedish residency only their parents did, its not like the NHS where you just walk in and they treat you it is really really hard being an immigrant in Sweden and seaking medical help.

I have paid a huge amount of tax in the time I have lived in the UK and never used the NHS, my conscience if I was to get given one immunisation from tge NHS.

Whilst I completely understand your fear and am very pro-vaccination myself, immunity from whooping cough doesn't last all that many years so most of the adult population in the uk are not immune. Even if your family had been immunised it would have worn off by now.

If you're worried about whooping cough then don't see anyone from the UK or US or Australia (or anywhere else there has been an outbreak) until your child has been vaccinated. It's the only way if it is a huge concern of yours.

As I said earlier ds2 caught whooping cough from a vaccinated child aged 2. He was actually exposed to whooping cough via two unvaccinated children when he was 10 weeks and didn't catch it (he hadn't been vaccinated). No guarantees. If it's going to worry you just ask that everyone who might have been in contact with w/c stay away until after your child has been vaccinated. If I was concerned about w/c I certainly wouldn't be relying on a vaccination given years ago as evidence of being whooping cough free so would be banning adults as well.