For thinking i shouldn't be getting constantly pestered by the local nurse and GP team to get my daughter immunises when i've repeatedly told them my answer is no?

[Lowla]

My daughter is 4. She got all her jabs as a baby, but i stopped at the MMR one. Since we missed the appointment, i've been getting loads of letters to invite us to the clinic for the MMR jab and now her school booster jab for some other virus. (Hib or something like that).

I've phoned the GP and asked them not to send any more letters out as i've chosen not to get her immunised any further for my own personal reasons, and worries over her last reactions to the jabs. And now i've got some nurse calling me asking to do a home visit next week to 'check on me and dd'. I asked 'is this about the jabs?' and she said, rather reluctantly, 'yes'.

AIBU for feeling like they should respect my decision?

Sorry for the bad grammar. Writing this in a rush as i have to run and get dd from school.

Why is she being unreasonable when her dd has after every jab reacted badly once ok but every jab is very very worrying. Ferbile convulsions can cause brain damage they can be serious in most cases not but not in every case

FreudiansGoldSlipper That's why I asked if the illness would be even worse.
So I would be looking for specialist advice as to whether or not there was a way of immunising somehow - even if it had to be done in hospital.

There is no evidence to suggest that febrile seizures cause any lasting damage, such as brain damage or learning difficulties

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Febrile-convulsions/Pages/Complications.aspx

Whooping cough on the other hand, can kill....

It does make me a bit that some people seem to think that by talking to other biased people and reading some biased information on the internet, that they know better than the medical profession. I am certainly not saying to take everything your HCP says at face value but I'd like to think there are people out there who know more than me about this type of thing. I have already anticipated a response (because I've had it before on here) regarding how the government don't give a shit about vaccine damage and that they're only offering vaccination because it's cheap but I'm not a fan of these conspiracy theories.

Ferbile convulsions can cause brain damage they can be serious in most cases not but not in every case

No, they don't. Febrile convulsions are linked with epilepsy, but the is room for debate about cause and effect. i.e. was the epilepsy always there and caused the convulsions, or did the convulsion cause the epilepsy?

Frankly, whilst I'd prefer neither, I'd take living with epilepsy over being dead.

Freudian- "febrile convulsions can be serious in most cases" Do you have a reference for this? I just don't believe it.

Of course, the refuseniks are taking the gamble it will be someone else's child who ends up dead. And that seems to be fine by them.

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Febrile-convulsions/Pages/Complications.aspx
here it is again : Freudian and OP are wrong.
itsall's link is the correct answer

PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE
it really is that simple.

Thank your lucky stars you are in the UK with the NHS rather than somewhere you had to pay up front for the drugs your child would need being treated for one of the vaccination diseases (sell the car for a start)

I likewise think you're an idiot. Have you heard of herd immunity - we immunise our children for everyone's benefit. Do you also not realise how serious measles is if your daughter catches it?

think yabvu--think they should move to system like in U.S. where you need to be vaccinated to attend school unless there is verified medical reason not to.

YABU and utterly selfish.

If you lived somewhere where diseases were rife,vaccinations limited you'd jump at the chance but no you'd rather enjoy the security that other sensible parents who vaccinate give your child without playing your part.

Hey lets all not vaccinate and let diseases occur in epidemics!

II31
the trouble with that is that the anti jab nutters are often god bothering weirdos who then home educate their creationist claptrap
the US is divided enough already.

Better that the UK does NOT go down that line.

PS
Up thread somebody mentioned "reading up" about "problems with MMR"
I think you'll find that ALL of the published peer reviewed papers that said that have now been withdrawn as being fatally flawed due to W*nker Wakefield's dodgy contributions.

Febrility can cause long term harm in kids with rare mitochondrial disorders, so I've been told. Of course, that does mean most conventional advice to parents of affected kids is to vaccinate, because febrility is a slam-dunk in measles, whooping cough, and all other illnesses that need your immune system to go into overdrive. So if your child is unusually susceptible to harm from a fever, then vaccinating is a good idea.

Vaccines do damage some children. All effective medical interventions will harm some patients. But far fewer will be harmed than saved, and that being the case, my personal gamble would always be on the much better odds.

Oh FFS! Wakefield wasn't and isn't an idiot. He was asked to look at a small group of children with autism, who had ghastly gut problems. He found the measles virus in their gut walls, which wasn't normal. At no point did he say anything even remotley like MMR causes autism. The press jumped up and down a lot, added 2 and 2 to make 5 and that was it. Wakefield was a scapegoat.

The gov at the time could have really helped to situation, but chose not to. In fact they chose to make it worse by banning NHS delivery of single vaccines. Up until dd was about 3m the gp could - and did - administer single vaccines. At that time, children were given MMR at about 1 yo and dd was called for it at 13m.

I worked with autistic kids then, and asked a very sensible speech therapist what she was doing with her similarly aged child. She was going to wait until he was 3yo and she could tell that his language was on track. I decided to do the same. Before dd got to 3 the bad outbreaks of measles had started. We found a private gp who gave her the singles at vast cost.

If our gp had been still allowed to give singles during those uncertain years, dd would have had the singles earlier.

At no time did the government, any minister,MP, or any official explain why the singles had been withdrawn.

Most people would have been quite happy to pay extra for singles, like one does for holiday jabs, but no, banned. Bloody stupid.

Don't blame Wakefield for it though.

Jux - 2 of the 3 singles are still available privately. The third - mumps - isn't. I don't know enough of the facts to comment on the rest of your post.

Wakefield was struck off for the way he collected data and what he did with it after.
He released information about his work in press meetings rather than peer reviewed journals.
When the media circus started he rode the wave and stirred it and took the cash..
He was grossly unethical.
His actions endangered the lives of thousands of children and probably caused the deaths of several.
I stand by my view that he is a W*nker.

Single vaccines are an utter red herring - why stick six needles into a child's arm when two will do the job better and leave more resources in the NHS for other vaccines.

www.patient.co.uk/health/Febrile-Seizure-(Febrile-Convulsion).htm

Complex febrile seizures (ones that last a long time) are not dismissed as never causig brain damage there is still a lot of research going on (look to research websites) the problem is that because of dr wakefield's report the parents that claim that there children suffered are not listened too

It is only recently thatevidence has comeforward that the mmrjab can cause some chlildren to have a febrile seizure this was totally dismissed before

Medicine is advancing all the time, it's naive to think things are not hushed over for the good for the majority but for some children the mmr is dangerous what many parents want is the option of single jabs that are safe and regulated offered on the nhs not to necessarily have no jabs at all

Wakefield was a scapegoat

Why exactly? Was it because he carried out research on children without ethical approval? Or because he sanctioned unnecessary and unpleasant tests such as colonoscopies? Or maybe it was because despite his contractual obligations barring him from conducting research on children he did it anyway?

I feel that regardless of whether his results were proven (or not as the case was!), he acted in a negligent and unprofessional way.

YABU.

If everyone thought like this we'd be dropping like flies.

I'd just like to point something out.

In Japan, there were a very small cluster of encephalitis cases in children who had received the MMR, and there was a concern that the mumps component (which used a strain that has never been used in this country) might be linked. No child was permanently harmed, and no link was ever proven because the numbers were too small, but the decision was taken, sensibly enough, that if there was an alternative that didn't carry even a potential risk of serious side effect, that was the better option.

At that point, Japan ended its (previously mandatory) MMR schedule and changed back to singles. Despite there being high uptake, rates of disease began to climb. The question of whether the combined vaccinations are better because they somehow synergise and improve the immune response, or whether the gap between is a risk - in some cases an infection such as a cold, or just life circumstances, mean a delay happens or a later dose is never given - remains unknown, but they found out the lower effectiveness of single vaccines the hard way. Children died. And several died of encephalitis... a known and provably linked complication of both measles and mumps. And not ever a proven risk of that strain of mumps used in the MMR.

Withdrawing the MMR in case it caused encephalitis in some children led directly to fatal cases of encephalitis in some children.

I think it's also worth pointing out that one of the very few known environmental causes of (some cases of) autism is rubella in pregnancy.

Wakefield was struck off for the way he collected data and what he did with it after.

Yes, he was struck off because he was unethical, not because what he found was inaccurate.

His study was the only one at the time I made my MMR decision that had even looked at the children whose parents genuinely believed that the MMR had caused severe damage.

Wakefield may or may not be a wanker, but what the government did after his paper was far worse IMO.

Sensible speech therapists are of course trained doctors and experts in vaccines.

Oh wait. No they mumping aren't.

perfectstorm
That is genuinely interesting ....

I just had a look at the Wikipedia page about W*nker Wakefield. Pretty darned damning - and ALL with links, including listing all of the withdrawn papers.