Too feel devastated for the wife of the teacher who has run off to France with his 15 year old pupil?

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What on earth went through his head when he decided to do this?! The poor woman has taken all her social networks down out of humiliation I presume. link

Crazy.

Are you saying she's 'guilty'? Odd choice of word, 'innocent'.

The misinformation flying around is nuts. I've looked up the Sexual Offence Act 2003 & I think that this is potentially what a teacher who had some kind of sexual contact with a pupil would be guilty of:

16 Abuse of position of trust: sexual activity with a child E+W+N.I..This section has no associated Explanatory Notes
[F1(1)A person aged 18 or over (A) commits an offence if? .
(a)he intentionally touches another person (B), .
(b)the touching is sexual, .
(c)A is in a position of trust in relation to B, .
(d)where subsection (2) applies, A knows or could reasonably be expected to know of the circumstances by virtue of which he is in a position of trust in relation to B, and .
(e)either? .
(i)B is under 18 and A does not reasonably believe that B is 18 or over, or .
(ii)B is under 13. .
(2)This subsection applies where A? .
(a)is in a position of trust in relation to B by virtue of circumstances within section 21(2), (3), (4) or (5), and .
(b)is not in such a position of trust by virtue of other circumstances. .
(3)Where in proceedings for an offence under this section it is proved that the other person was under 18, the defendant is to be taken not to have reasonably believed that that person was 18 or over unless sufficient evidence is adduced to raise an issue as to whether he reasonably believed it. .
(4)Where in proceedings for an offence under this section? .
(a)it is proved that the defendant was in a position of trust in relation to the other person by virtue of circumstances within section 21(2), (3), (4) or (5), and .
(b)it is not proved that he was in such a position of trust by virtue of other circumstances, .
it is to be taken that the defendant knew or could reasonably have been expected to know of the circumstances by virtue of which he was in such a position of trust unless sufficient evidence is adduced to raise an issue as to whether he knew or could reasonably have been expected to know of those circumstances.
(5)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable? .
(a)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both; .
(b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years.]

and

9 Sexual activity with a childE+W.This section has no associated Explanatory Notes
(1)A person aged 18 or over (A) commits an offence if? .
(a)he intentionally touches another person (B), .
(b)the touching is sexual, and .
(c)either? .
(i)B is under 16 and A does not reasonably believe that B is 16 or over, or .
(ii)B is under 13. .
(2)A person guilty of an offence under this section, if the touching involved? .
(a)penetration of B?s anus or vagina with a part of A?s body or anything else, .
(b)penetration of B?s mouth with A?s penis, .
(c)penetration of A?s anus or vagina with a part of B?s body, or .
(d)penetration of A?s mouth with B?s penis, .
is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years.
(3)Unless subsection (2) applies, a person guilty of an offence under this section is liable? .
(a)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both; .
(b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years.

The nspcc defination of grooming

What is child sexual exploitation?

Child sexual exploitation is when someone grooms and controls a child for a sexual purpose.

The terms 'child sexual exploitation' or the 'commercial sexual exploitation of children' are used to refer to a range of illegal and abusive activities.

These activities can be broadly separated into two areas:

sexual exploitation through street grooming

online sexual exploitation.

Sexual exploitation through street grooming can include:

grooming a child for a sexual purpose. This might involve befriending the child, gaining their trust, giving them drugs, alcohol or gifts, asking them to perform sexual acts as a favour or in exchange for something

the movement of children within the UK for the purpose of sexually abusing them (also referred to as internal trafficking)

the trafficking of children into the UK from other countries for the purpose of sexually abusing them

controlling a child through physical or psychological means or through the use of drugs for a sexual purpose

receiving money or goods in payment for someone to have sex with a child (also referred to as child prostitution)

paying or exchanging goods for sex with a child.

Online sexual exploitation can include:

grooming children online for the purpose of sexually abusing them. This might involve an adult pretending to be a child, befriending the child through online chat rooms, social networking websites, email, mobile telephone messaging, gaining their trust, stalking their online activities

asking children to participate in non-contact sexual activities such as engaging in sexual conversations online or via mobile telephone

asking children to take and share indecent images of themselves online or through a mobile telephone

asking children to display sexualised behaviours or perform sexual acts that are recorded or shared live via webcam

the creation, storage and distribution of child abuse images (also referred to as child pornography or indecent images)

arranging to meet a child in person for the purpose of sexually abusing them.

www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform/resourcesforprofessionals/sexualabuse/sexual_exploitation_definition_wda85123.html

Yes, it certainly looks as though he ticks a few of the definitions on that list. But until the full facts emerge all we really know is that she is a child and that he is in the wrong. Any other efforts to tilt it any other way are quite creepy.

Reading through the NSPCC guidance, I'd say grooming was unlikely in this instance - but that is just a guess, as I don't know if the teacher did any of those things.

I honestly thought they would have been found by now, or at least found the car they were in. Worrying words today from Mr Forrest Senior who says his son is 'vulnerable' and could 'flip'. I feel also very sorry for Mr Forrest parents who must be living such a nightmare too at the moment through no fault of their own.

I completely agree Maryz. All this talk of 15 year old girl's as 'shameless flirts'. As if that matters on bloody jot!

As soon as he, is she started the flirting, stopped being just her teacher, stopped behaving in a professional manner, started flirting/be a friend whatever happened that was grooming why because he is in the position of power it's that cut and dry no matter how attractive he found her no matter how much she may have come on to him it was his duty as her teacher to be responsible for welfare to keep the relationship teacher/pupil anything

And really so what she may have flirted with him she would not have been the only one she may have had a crush it makes no difference and I can not understand why it keeps bought up again and again it's taking away blame from him he is 100% responsible for what has happened

We have no idea where any grooming took place. We don't reall know anything about the relationship between them before the disappearance, and the more that comes out in the news the less clear it seems. At some point, I hope, she will be safely back, their actions can be established as far a possible, and he can answer for what he did.

As MaryZ says, grooming is not key point. She could have been utterly enthusiastic (we don't know) but he is still totally and completely in the wrong as she is under age and he is her teacher.

Sky news have just posted this on twitter:

Boulogne prosecutor tells Sky News "Jeremy Forrest is not a criminal suspect, he will not be arrested, this is a missing person inquiry"

I reckon he must have a bank account under an assumed name, as it will be costing him loads of money, clothing, accommodation, fuel etc. I will seriously add up.

I wonder if the thrill wouldn't wear off too quickly. I mean, they've presumably had a torturous few months fantasising about being together, but the reality is, they'll have had very little time alone, so to go from that to 24/7 must be pretty intense. Also without any friends or family, I can imagine it getting boring and lonely very quickly. If he were to get a job to support them, is she just going to be sitting around in some foreign country where she doesn't know the language all be herself?

SOmeone said earlier about going to friends who are willing to put them up. Can't imagine any sane person agreeing to get involved in that, but it would explain a few things.

Read a few things about his being a very angry person, so I hope it doesn't end up being taken out on her.

what a thing for all of them to recover from. It's just enormous. His poor wife, not only coming to terms with the infidelity and the fact it's with a young girl and so very public, but not being able to even open her front door, having the police round, probably going through all their personal things and finance. He financial future too will be in shreds, though I guess luckily she's young, and his poor parents too. And of course hers. WHat a shocking mess.

i would have thought things would not be so rosy between them after a week. The girls age will probably be showing, she will be missing her family and realising what she has done.

He will be having to deal with a distressed teenager, and the reality of what they have done will more than likely be at the forefront of their minds.

Has anyone read "Therese Raquin" by Emile Zola? A tale of how pressure and guilt eventually implodes a couple in love after they had done something really bad.

It's probably the path they are on. And Zola was French.

well, a friend might have put them up because the alternative is that they would run to god knows where.

I imagine tbh that the more publicity that is being given to this case, the less likely they are to just come back. Afaik she's not considered to be at risk,so maybe the media need to step back and just let them come back as and when? I know that's little consollation for her parents but the police will be doing everything they can behind the scenes - they don't need the media and public discussion on top of all that...

I just hope he is looking after her and he sees sense very soon.

I do wonder of he has access to a credit card or bank account that his wife/ family don't know about. It must be costing a lot of money supporting them both, especially if they have had to buy lots of new clothes. And the police haven't said that either of them withdrew substantial amounts if cash before they went, have they?

I do agree with WannaBe, that maybe if the media stepped back a bit perhaps they might be more likely to come home.

It depends if they know anything that is in the media. They could be camping in remote areas, have no access to tv, papers etc. If the French are not making a big deal of it, they would have to be looking at english newspapers.

That is if they are still in France of course.

If you think about when you go away on your hols, there comes a stage when you begin to think of home, even if you are enjoying yourself.

I read it in the original French for A Level, Pan. Hence it went in one ear and out the other...

Ha!! I read in my 'post-graduate, black polo-neck sweater with a Gitane' period. Arse

Nice

Come to think of it this thread is having molto parallels to the Berlin Forest Boy Ray's threads. No undue levity intended.

Camera Two. Olympus. Tres funny.

well if they're out of the media coverage area then tbh I can't see any reason for it being in the media in the first place other than to spark discussions such as this one which don't achieve anything really other than voyuristic speculation.