to think that there is NEVER an acceptable reason to call a 32 year old woman a "young girl?"

[Hullygully]

No I'm not.

I couldn't care less what emotive flannel is flung about.

IT. IS.NOT.ACCEPTABLE.

The end.

Don't get your anger manatee?

"stay safe on your next shift" if i've mis read that, im very sorry but its all gone a bit mental in here

what did you mean by keep safe on your next shift? are you and jemma related?

Ahhhh, Holeyghost, I was thinking the same thing. As if being called "young" increases desirability or affirms intact attractiveness.

wow yet again mn hq bend the rules to suit themselves.
thread about a thread, but not deleted

It's not a thread about a thread. It's a thread about an issue. It's an issue that's been referred to elsewhere on the boards but this thread could also stand alone. There are often multiple threads about high profile issues. Do you want HQ to delete all but one in case there are some cross references?

No , I am a police officer and I sincerely hope my colleagues will keep safe.

Scurry is a police officer, no sarcasm intended.
Police family sticking together at the minute

Holey - i said the very thing, im 42 and would be quite happy to be referred to as a young girl :) But interestingly, when i was a young girl, i would have found it patronising. Im not sure what that says about me (genuinely)

I do know however that i was incandescent when I complained about something in a resturant and the manager called me "luv" i was fair foaming at the mouth!

I think its all about context - those women were someone's daughters, to their parents i daresay they will always be their babies - i know mine are, and always will be. so very very sad.

Oh god, so sorry scurry xx

I jsut really can't believe that anyoen would call a 50 yr old man a "lovely young boy"

I can't

If someone called my dh a "lovely young boy" I'd up their medication.

So disappointed to have missed Jemma's insult. It looked so pithy and cutting.

Yep those offended tend to be the young... You get less offended as you get older about this stuff because you understand what is important and what isn't.

Golly that was patronising!!

I meant that even though we may disagree- I hope my colleagues never have to face this. ( have recently lost a colleague to a shooting )

And may I just point out, for the fiftieth time, that the thread is titled

AIBU to think that there is NEVER an acceptable reason to call a 32 year old woman a "young girl?"

It is NOT about any professional person of any kind being anthing in the line of duty and the tragedy thereof. Despite all efforts to make it so.

Indeed. But "young girl" and "slaughter of the innocents" were the words chosen by senior colleagues

No doubt with the best of intentions, but demeaning all the same.

I think the rabid reaction if some to Seeker and Hully's threads is because they see the "young girl" etc as flattering the deceased.

They think that other people are moaning about a factual innacuracy rather than an indication of a lack of respect

And may I add to all police officers, female and male, that I would never wish any harm to come to any of you ever, except perhaps those men currently under investigation for abusing men women and children in the line of duty.

The issue about casual use of inappropriate terminology and how it affects public perception is valid and worthy of debate as I said on the previous thread.

However after 18 years in the cops if the worst I had been called was a young girl I would be more than happy.

When I first joined I was referred to as a splitarse. Nice.

Cultures and attitudes have changed dramatically and men and women are genuinely treated as equals. When I first went into CID only WPC would investigate sexual assaults whereas it's shared equally

It is casual language which needs to be tackled next. However I have to say Hully that calling someone a moron is disabilist in my view and I am shocked at you using that expression

I am teaching my three daughters that their value is not predicated on their youth and beauty. I want them to understand that WOMEN are to be honoured because of their intelligence, dedication, compassion, work ethic and courage.

They haven't changed nearly enough Sharon.

Why is moron "disablist"? It's original usage was long since dropped in favour ot its being a general insult

apols too scurry....thought it was a menial job related jibe...

sharon splitarse!! on your behalf.

No problem, thanks for understanding. Times are tough. Am crying at the moment. It's just shit and everyone is in shock.

V long thread so can't be arsed to read on a blackberry but I am 34 and if an 80 year old called me youg girl I wouldn't be offended because to them I am (shrugs). Many more paronising terms than this imo.

The way you say things in your head Hully (and others) is obviously very different to the way they're said in context.

Familiarity is important. I wouldn't call you Hully a young girl, because it offends you and I have some sense of self preservation. I wouldn't call a stranger 'love'. I am more familiar with liked and respected colleagues, and even more familiar and cheeky with friends (and they me).

In THIS context, the butt of your whole arguement, I do not feel anything other than a deep respect to those particular police officers was shown, and a deep and genuine fellowship.

Because I call my mate a young boy, in a tone and context you cannot possibly understand, its ME who needs medication? Nice Hully, well done, bravo.

As whether its EVER acceptable to call a 32 year old woman a young girl, yes, sometimes it is.

WTF is a splitarse?!