or has the standard of 'debate' gone right downhill on here

[germyrabbit]

seems to be everyone agrees or no one can be arsed to argue any point these days

Hi Tiggy,

We're just about to send you a mail.

TiggyD, please stop dragging your squabbles with another poster into a totally unrelated thread. It shows a staggering lack of courtesy for other members to do that at all, but with personal insults, naming the poster, and links? What the actual fuck? If you want MN to do something about posts related to you, report them. That's the correct response. And no, it wasn't me that reported you - someone else got there first.

As to the suing bit - you can't sue Mumsnet for libel because you're having a tantrum about a thread disagreement! Libel actually requires you to be identified in your IRL name, and then have provably untrue claims made that would lower you in the mind of right-thinking people. But post in Legal if you're confused on the subject.

It was just about deleted by the time I got to read it.

Nobody's getting banned! Just wanted to tell Tiggy we're not ignoring the situation.

I agree with worra.
I always argue the thread andthepost not the person.

I actually often forget who I have had a huge row with so it is my crap memory as much as an ethical choice.

I hate competitive vileness -'you sound awful op. tbh I feel sorry for your children'. One starts and then 20 wankers will just post ruder and ruder things, feeling vindicated because they are in a little mob.

And I never open links unless it is possibly Huge Jackmans thranger.

I think the worst I ever read was a woman who was phobic about natural childbirth to the point she was willing to pay to go private, asking for recommendations. People started asking why she was scared and trying to talk her out of it. She kept saying she didn't want to discuss it and then got irritated, which apparently justified a deluge of attacks on her as a person and a mother, as well as a lot of attacks on the "selfishness" of women who opt for selective sections. It was horrible to read. Really horrible. Flat-out cyber-bullying. And it was in Childbirth, not AIBU. Several posters justified it by her "attitude", which (1) was awful because they seemed to be saying they could be as unpleasant as they liked if they didn't warm to someone, and (2) ignored the fact that none of us would like it if a random person we asked for a hotel recommendation then started questioning our reasons for wanting to go on holiday at all, in increasingly entitled and demanding terms. This post was years ago, but I've never forgotten it.

On the upside, MN can be fantastic when people really, really need it to be. I've read threads which could restore anyone's faith in human nature many more times than I have the depressingly horrible ones.

I do feel though that AIBU should come with a disclaimer: never post here if you actually care about the issue. That's what Relationships or Parenting are for. Because if someone is invested emotionally, the drubbing they'll very likely get from at least some people will hurt.

Huge Jackman? Really?

Oh, and I actually often forget who I have had a huge row with so it is my crap memory as much as an ethical choice. same. I also namechanged and someone who liked me lots under my old name loathed me under the new, due to a disagreement on one thread. That was kind of weird! But also salutary when it came to having views on other posters.

Yes.
Huge.

Did you want peer reviewed data?

It was about the standard of debate in another thread where somebody accused me of saying something bad. According to Mumsnet, because the other person said "I believe I've seen you..." rather than "I have seen you...." it doesn't count as a personal attack. Insinuation with the purpose of undermining somebodies reputation is OK on Mumsnet.

BTW, Pagwatch, I believe I saw you in the woods last night shaving badgers without their consent...

I never read the screeds of data people put in to make a point.
It's boring. And long.
But then I don't go into the heavier threads like Feminism and Relationships.
Or ye Gods, Breastfeeding
I'm very much a fair weather Mumsnetter, I prefer my arguments silly and pointless, like supermarket threads, or should you be able to say cunt on MN
or even laundry as examples
But people can even get angry on these most minor things.
I tend to withdraw from the thread then

In fairness waxing badgers is a fav past time. Not shaving though. You should never shave a badgera as the stubble makes them itchy.

Did you want peer reviewed data?

You're a peer. You reviewed him. That counts, no? I think we need a double-blind option, though, to make it proper. Hmm. A photo of someone else's. Tom Hardy would do (he's the one in Inception, right? I'm bad with actor names).

On MN evidence: I love links. I genuinely love them. I have a mind like a magpie had babies with a squirrel; random bits of data just make me happy. In fact someone here might know - is it true that a bumblebee shouldn't be able to fly at all, or just a myth? I've wondered.

The badgers not expect Pag to answer. She is their Badger Queen.

My issue has been sorted.

Keep calm and carry on.

I am the Badger Queen.

Someone needs to fashion me a crown.

Paws-es?

Vaccination threads make my head hurt.