AIBU to want my car back?

[SpottedGurnard]

My parents helped me out by buying me a 2nd hand car a couple of years ago. They had helped my brother out moneywise when he swanned off around the world for a year and wanted to treat me equally.

A year or so later I got a job with a company car which I knew from the start wouldnt be a long term job, so I wanted to keep my much loved first car so I had somethinf when it ended.

I put my car through its mot (£500 :-() and taxed it and asked ny brother if he would drive it to keep it running for me. He didnt want it, it was too girly and I had to really persuade him. His car was scrapped so he begrudginly agreed.

A year later and I have left my job. I now live somewhere very remote. Brother still lives at home (as always) and is going back to uni but staying at home. He had saved up money for uni but has just been to africa for a month and bought a brand new laptop.

He says he has no intention of giving it back ( had to sign it over for insurance reasons) and has no money for a new car.

AIBU to want it back? I have no money to buy a car as I live in the real world and have had rent and unexpectedly high bills to pay.

Just to be clear, if I had known he wasnt going to give it back I would've sold it so that I could use the money for a new car when needed.

Yanbu. The registration document is not proof of ownership, and you did not transfer ownership to your brother when you signed it over.

As he's living with your parents, could they intervene?

Oldlady- they say its his now tough luck. They say of I had wanted to keep it I shouldnt have signed it over to him.

YANBU to want it back if you made it clear that he was only having it temporarily.

However, legally he owns the car, so you don't have any recourse there.

Does he not care about keeping a good relationship with you? What do your parents say? Surely they have a heavy influence as they are housing and feeding him.

Wow, I'm surprised at your parents attitude.

I guess this is very much a case of, "Don't lend anything important you need to get back."

He has conveniently forgotten about the agreement now Paiviaso- my argument to him was why would I spent £500 to put a car through its mot just to give to you?

In what way did you sign it over?
Whose name is the car registered in?
If you gave him the log book it is his. You don't have to sign a car over to anyone to insure it in their name other wise I would own about 5 cars!!! (plus all the vehicles at work!)

I say again, the registered keeper is not the registered owner, and the document cannot be used as proof of ownership.

Op, can you get your hands on the keys and just take it away? Do you have any receipts from when you purchased the car?

That's what I was asking Oldlady!

Registered keeper, not owner.

Sometimes you do have to transfer for insurance. I was going insure a classic car of my dh's friends to build up no claims but couldn't as I wasn't registered keeper. On some policies it costs a fortune to add another drive's

The log book is just another name for the VSC (or whatever it is) which is NOT proof of ownership but what you need to be able to sell a car.

Most people take it as read that if you are in possession of this piece of paper then you own the car but it's just means you are the registered keeper and responsible for the mot, tax etc.
You also need this if you want to insure the car in your name fully comp and want no claims.

Proving ownership is very difficult on 2nd hand cars. He can't prove he owns it as you presumably haven't given him a receipt. You however can if you have a receipt from when you bought it.

I think both your parents and your brother are being very twattish.

your brother is being an arse! you done him a favour by lending him the car in the first place and you are right to be angry.
ask him again for your car back!

If Op has receipts for the purchase of the car, and the £500 of work that was done for the MoT, I think she would have a fair case for the Small Claims Court, for the value of the car when it was lent.

Send him a bill for the car then if he's keeping it. I'd never speak to him or my parents again if they thought this was acceptable treatment of me.

I have spoken about it today with him. He said tough " I have no intention of giving it back".

I'm just fed up of it all. Almost every day there is a package arriving at the door for him of clothes, shoes etc he has ordered online. He has always lived at home and claims to have no money but goes on long holidays abroad.

I'm as skint as can be. Have no money to get a car and nothing to get me to interviews for work. Public transport is non existant and dp needs his car at work so cant help me.

Im just so fed up of him being treated like a pampered little prince.

Receipts for car are held with my parents as they bought the car for me. They don't want to know.

what a lovely family you have, when he goes on holiday go and take it back and it anyone says anything to you say 'I have no intention of giving it back'

Helen- apparently in my family you get rewarded for pissing your savings down the drain. Moving out and being independent gets you nowhere.

He is older than be by the way. My mum still does his washing, ironing and cooking and even buys his socks for him ffs.

I dont understand why he has this new laptop. He bought a new netbook at christmas and has a perfectly good desktop too.

I would be watching for the postman and getting the parcels!
'I have no intention of handing them over!!'

what a sod! no advice though. id threaten with the court thing though. what a git he is..... unhelpful sorry.

Unbelievable thread. I am shocked at how you are being treated

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This is shocking behaviour from your brother and parents! I'm on your behalf. Do you have the receipt for the 500£ worth of work you had done on it?

what reason does your brother give?

Are you me? Or my long lost sister?

YANBU at all. My family treat me exactly the same. My brother still lives at home, works full time, owes parents 2k. Spends his money on pure shite but cant even afford a birthday card. He pays nothing into the house. Mum still does all his washing and tidies his room.

I on the other hand am skint due to living in the real world. My parents lent me money to buy a cheap car. I paid them back. My car then broke down and I was without a car with a toddler and no way of buying a new one.

So when they got a new car, who did they give their old one to? Yep, my brother.

I havent spoke to the lot of them since May. Not easy, but better than living through that!!

As pps have said, the log book is not proof of ownership. But if your parents are backing him up Im not really sure what you can do :(

Would your payment of mot be proof of anything? That would be on your bank statement?

The issue seems less about the car and more about your brother and parents tbh. Tell them to buy you another or hold his laptop to ransom.