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To disagree with special lanes in london for the para olympics

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ReallyTired · 22/08/2012 18:21

There are special lanes designed for the para olympic athletes which are currently active, inspite of the fact the para olympics are week away. Having designated lanes during the olympics was a massive inconvience for people getting to work.

www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/london2012/24565.aspx

I am being unreasonable thinking that its over the top keeping the lane restrictions for the para olympics.

a) the para olympics don't start for a week.
b) the para olympics is not a comparible sporting even to the olympics.
c) Very few people will actually use the lanes compared with the olympics. Sad to say, but the level of media interest in the para olympics is less than the actual olympics. Also there are far fewer competitors who might use the lanes.

The lane restrictions were just about barable for the olympics because they were during the summer holidays. Its going to be hellish when the school term starts and people are back to work.

I feel a compromise would be to allow para olympic spectators to use the lanes rather than having lanes standing empty.

OP posts:
threesocksmorgan · 22/08/2012 22:45

does anyone really care what people like the op think?
I know I am looking forward to the para olympics. (and I hate sport)
we should ignore people like the op and just talk about the real issue....how good it will be.

MoonlightandRoses · 22/08/2012 22:59

threesocks - if they don't, then they should. The more people like the OP you have in a society, the more the society is biased towards exclusion / belittling of the 'different' (i.e. not like me, therefore not 'right').

Yes, people are absolutely entitled to have their opinion, but unfortunately, until equality for people with disabilities the default mode for society (and it hasn't been achieved yet) those opinions can very negatively impact on choices and support available to people who need it.

MoonlightandRoses · 22/08/2012 23:00

sorry, there should have been an 'is' after "...people with disabilities..." Blush

threesocksmorgan · 22/08/2012 23:02

oh I know. I have a disabled child. I have learnt so much just from watching the bits in the national news and local news in the past couple of weeks about different disabilities outside "my bubble" .
I suppose the difference is I want to learn.
people like the OP just want to get to their destination 5 mins sooner.

Katy1368 · 22/08/2012 23:13

Eh? I drove down the A12 past the Olympic park on Monday and it clearly said the games lanes would not be active until 27th July. Which lanes are you on about OP? During the Olympics the disruption on the roads was pretty minimal in my area which is one of the Olympic boroughs so not sure what you are getting in a lather about anyway.

I personally am zoo looking forward to it and have tickets hooray!

Katy1368 · 22/08/2012 23:14

Ahem.. Mean so looking forward to, bloody auto correct!

LollipopViolet · 22/08/2012 23:22

"people who beep at special school buses picking up disabled children?" Saintlyjimjams, please tell me this doesn't go on :(

OP, YABU, for all the reasons stated by other posters.

NovackNGood, just a small point. Could you please refrain from using the term handicap, a lot of people find it offensive (including me). "Disability" is the term used, although me being strange, I don't even like saying I have a disability, when I do.

MoonlightandRoses · 22/08/2012 23:28

Ah, yes, I'm with you there threesocks - hopefully the Paralympics will either help people to learn, or make them want to.

saintlyjimjams · 22/08/2012 23:33

Yep lollipop, I have a particular arms folded stare I use for those people. Although my favourite was the tosspot who drove around the bus on the pavement rather than wait the approx ten seconds it takes to get my son on the bus (he not physically disabled so it's not as if they would have had to wait for a ramp or anything).

When someone beeps I always go extra slowly.....

threesocksmorgan · 22/08/2012 23:35

I hope they do learn as tbh I find it so interesting, I have live in the sn world for the last 17 years, but have suddenly realised how little I know.
I am looking forward to learning more about the Super humans

OhLimpPricks · 22/08/2012 23:52

I think MN needs a new category in talk . AIBAS. Am I being attention seeking.

cardibach · 23/08/2012 00:06

Am I being attention seeking, or am I being a shit, OhLimpPricks ?
I haven't been to London at all during the Olympic period, but YABU to expect the Paralympics to cause less disruption than the Olympics.
Did you see 'Best of Men' the other night? Gave a real insight into the way disabled people used to be viewed and the reasons for the setting up of the Paralympics. The OP should watch it.

sashh · 23/08/2012 04:34

a) the para olympics don't start for a week.

No but athletes, coaches, equipment can't all arice 1 hour before the start

b) the para olympics is not a comparible sporting even to the olympics.

You are joking? Or are you just ignorant?

c) Very few people will actually use the lanes compared with the olympics.

How do you know?

Sad to say, but the level of media interest in the para olympics is less than the actual olympics.

but the media is only a small part

Also there are far fewer competitors who might use the lanes.

Probably more actually

manicinsomniac · 23/08/2012 09:01

The thing is, there's a huge difference between the paralympics not being important and the paralympics not being comparable to the olympics.

The first is a twattish thing to say and totally wrong but the second is (to the majority of people) true.

In my opinion the main reason it isn't comparable is that it's coming second. After months (years?) of hype and excitement the olympics are over an were amazing beyond most people's imaginings. But we had the closing ceremony and they were done with. To start again two weeks later inevitably comes with a bit of flatness and the feeling that they are a secondary add on. It's hard to find that same fresh excitement. Which doesn't mean I'm not looking forward to them because I am. But it's not the same.

If they wanted to make the two events comparable then they shouldn't have had the closing ceremony and the paralympics shouldn't have an opening ceremony. The two events should run one after the other with one big ceremony at the beginning and one at the end. Then all events could be called the olympics and get the same amount of coverage and attention.

The other reason they aren't comparable is that there are far fewer sports to watch so it can't have the same amount of interest because, for many people, theire favourite sports aren't there. For example my family are gymnastics obsessed and there is nothing to do with gymnastics in the paralympics. So there is an automatic drop in interest.

Of course for some people the paralympics will be their highlight and the olympics their secondary interest. But those people will be fewer in number.

And I'm fairly sure London will be less busy due to the number of foreign tourists and athletes if nothing else.

So saying that the two are not comparable is absolutely nothing to do with disability discrimination or being a shit. It's just practical and what has always been seen to be the case.

I'm trying to think of a decent analogy but can't. Like someone said upthread, the paralympics are the second most important sporting event in the world. That makes them major and exciting. But the most important event is the olympics. Therefore, they aren't comparable, they are first and second.

What is does mean is that the paralympics are more important than the football world cup, the athletics world championships, the ashes and the six nations though. Which is very cool.

I reall think people are looking for offence needlessly. On that comment at least. As I said before, I have no idea about the games lanes but assume the organisers know what's needed.

TheDoctrineOfEnnis · 23/08/2012 09:06

I agree manic that it would have been nice to have one straight after the other but I guess they had to clear up the athletes village, change some of the venues for the different sports etc. I don't remember what the gap was in Beijjng but I suppose at least a week would be necessary.

NovackNGood · 23/08/2012 13:39

The paralympics are only the event with the second largest number of competitors at the final in the world.

Audience figures and interest for a world cup or even champions league greatly dwarf the interest in paralympics. It's a plain fact. Even the TV audience for Madrid against Barça will be greater this week than for the opening ceremony.

You are all failing to realiase that these games are entirely different to the Olympics. Different organisations control the sports bodies who make up and run the IPC etc. which is why they have different logos etc. If any of you bleating on had actually cared rather than trying to act all outraged about nothing you would have at least known somethign about that.

There is far less need for Olympic lanes as the wheelchair tennis is all at the olympic park and not at Wimbledon and they only play five a side or seven a side football which is on the hockey pitches. Paralympics have only sold about one third the tickets of the Olympics across all venues.

TheDoctrineOfEnnis · 23/08/2012 13:51

Novack, if in practice there is less need for the Olympic lanes then the signs will be turned on to indicate the lanes are open for general traffic. As has been said upthread.

By the way, most of the tennis players in the Olympics didn't use the lanes as they stayed near Wimbledon.
www.tennistalk.com/en/news/20120725/Olympic_transport_already_a_nightmare

The lanes are for athletes and officials. With 165 nations competing there will still be a lot of athletes and officials. Some teams for team sports may be smaller but there will still be A Lot. Mmkay?

JamieandTheOlympicTorch · 23/08/2012 17:00

As I said before, I think the organisers have a pretty good handle on when and where the lanes will be needed.

OhLimpPricks · 23/08/2012 19:17

The Paralympics will not cause any more congestion than the Olympics, but there will be more pressure on the travel network as schools return. My journey into town by bus halves from 90 minutes to 45 when the school term ends. Added to which, the majority of people I know who worked from home during the Olympics have made no such plans during the Paralympics.
As for the question of whether they should be given the same consideration As games for able bodied athletes, of course they should.
I'm disabled myself. Unfortunately I'll never win gold medals but trying to seek attention by sneering as you have won't win you any prizes. Who are you to judge that a disabled athlete is not comparable to someone who is able bodied? Not enjoyable enough for you to watch? People in wheelchairs not quite important enough to justify your delayed journey, and make it 'bearable'
I hope that you never suffer disability; I hope you find compassion some other way.

ScampiFriesRuleOK · 24/08/2012 21:11

So your views are utterly vile and ignorant.
Yes.
But at LEAST do the Paralympics the service of calling them by their correct god-damn name instead of the wierd, made-up, child-like "para olympics".
It just makes you sound even more like a silly little idiot.

ScampiFriesRuleOK · 24/08/2012 21:13

Oh, and, in case you hadn't guessed my thoughts on the matter:
YABVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVU.

diaimchlo · 25/08/2012 23:05

b) the para olympics is not a comparible sporting even to the olympics.

What a complete and utter selfish and stupid to say........
These athletes overcome more obstacles in their everyday life never mind the determination to train to excel in sports that we "normal" (I use that term very loosely) can ever dream of.
It is no wonder that there is such a high amount of Disable-ism around when there are people like you BVVVVVU over some traffic lanes.

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