to hoick my judgey knickers firmly on...

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Because I have just seen a little boy with a number 2 birthday badge on, sitting in a pushchair with a hoop earring in one ear?

I don't know the mother but she was taking to a friend and I overheard her saying it was a present as he just had a boring stud before.

I will admit piercing childrens ears is not my thing but I generally don't see why people argue about it, fire stone reason though the fact that its a little boy shocked me more.

I judge people for defending threads that have been done to bloody death.

Usual can I have a link to the thread(s) about a male toddler with a large hoop in his ear please?

If you have been here since 2008, you have no excuse for starting another ear piercing debate.

That's why I'm saying we are going to have to agree to disagree. We have differing opinions on this and your not really going to change mine.

Ok, can you try and change mine then? Why is it ok to hurt/mutilate a baby as long as it can heal up/grow back?

Is that a no then because I can't find another where the OP specifically stated that it was not about ear piercing but about the dangers of a large hoop in a toddlers ear.

I have no issues about piercing, I have said is not something that I would do personally but that's not judging.

I have been here since 2008 in various guises.

I don't want to change yours. I'm not that way inclined and as I've said I would wait until the child was old enough to make their own mind up.

usual if you've been involved in this debate before and don't want to be again, then don't! It's not compulsory.

Those of us that are new or haven't been involved on this debate before, or who have, but want to be again are allowed to do so.

Fair enough pickles it just concerns me when someone says something like that and then admits to having a closed mind about it. Saying it's ok to hurt a baby as long as it heals, is quite an extreme viewpoint imo.

That's not what I said. What concerns me is that someone can insinuate something like that about a person just to win a cheap point in a discussion on the Internet.

I think that's piss poor.

I was trying to explain why I feel pierced ears and circumcision are different and in no way said or even insinuated its acceptable to hurt a child as long as it heals.

That's exactly what you said! Ear piercing hurts, but it's ok because it heals, whereas circumscision doesn't!

I didn't say I thought it was ok though did I? Prehaps read what I have written before you make unpleasant accusations.

I was only talking about my opinion on why I think they are different.

I'm not really that bothered about having any further discussion with you about it, I find the way your trying to twist my words questionable.

I didn't say I thought it was ok though did I?

I said it wasn't ok and you said we had to agree to disagree. which I took to mean you thought it was ok?! If you also think it isn't ok then why do we need to agree to disagree?

Why does it bother you so much? I meant I believe circumcision is worse than ear piercing and you don't you think both is equally as bad.

I do not agree.

What a Jump to I think it's ok to physically harm a child!

I'm beginning to wonder if you read what I say before you post.

Maybe it's you with the closed mind (and ears) actually.

In any event, you've been very rude to me and that sort of stops me listening to be honest.

I also believe circumcision is worse actually. If you read my posts you will see that I agreed with you when you said that.

Where we disagree is that ear piercing is a seperate issue. To me, they are two issues on the same scale and both have the same principle behind them i.e. mutilating/harming a child. Both are wrong.

You have posted a few times that the difference between the two, that for you makes them two separate issues, is that one heals and one doesn't. I'm not sure how I'm twisting your words, that's exactly what you said.

I'm sorry if you think I've been rude to you and I'm really sorry if that stops you listening. I don't think disagreeing with you makes me rude, but we'll have to agree to disagree again!

Disagreeing dosent make you rude but making out I said its ok to hurt children (when you know that's not what I meant) and have a closed mind does. It's personal & untrue.

I honestly don't what you meant! You said several times 'but it heals', 'it will heal up', 'mine have healed up' etc as though you were justifying the pain inflicted based on the fact that it would heal. When I asked you to explain, you declined.

You said 'We have differing opinions on this and your not really going to change mine', which to me sounds very closed minded. Sorry if that wasn't how you meant it.

I was referring to how I saw circumcision as different, not how I was saying to hurt kids is ok.

When did I say it was ok?

I don't want to be a drama queen but that post saying I think it's fine to hurt kids did bug me, of course I don't!

Why is it thinking hurting kids is ok if i am
saying I wouldn't do either but to me circumcision is different as its permanent?

I'm sorry if i've misunderstood what you meant, but everytime I said ear piercing is inflicting pain/harmful/mutiliation you came back with 'it will heal'. Which I read as 'it's ok, because it will heal'. So let me ask you so I understand;

Inflcting pain on a small baby by punching a hole in it's ears. Right or wrong?

always said wrong.

I would wait until I did anything like that until they are old enough to make their own choice.

YANBU. Earrings on babies/toddlers looks awful IMO.

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phrasing it like that i.e. both wrong, but different, doesn't sound like 'it's ok to hurt kids', that's much clearer.

Saying 'it will heal' in response to 'ear piercing is wrong/harmful' does sound like you're justifying it. I misunderstood what you meant.

pickles I'm sorry, I misunderstood your posts, I see now that wasn't what you meant.