What are your views on the bedroom tax?

[Cheekychops84]

the new tax for hb claimants where u loose some hb for bedrooms u don't need? we work so at the moment won't b affected but if workers later on down the line are affected I think is a bit unfair as we are paying all rent and bills ourself at the same price as Private Rent?

I'm not sure you have any idea.

the inital HB paperwork is more than 15 pages, plus a requirement for multiple copies of all sorts of documents; bank statements, cb paperwork, employment contracts etc etc.

then it takes 2-4 weeks to process and then a decision.

then repeat this process everytime anything changes; e.g. extra shifts, your work level drops, you are given a bonus or payrise etc etc.

can youi imagine how hard this is to do if you are a single working parent who has a temporary job, for example?

and it becomes a necessity to have it, because the rent levels are typically around 50% of a monthly salary, as are childcare costs... so exactly what is left for bills, food or anything else.

Ad hominem nonsense. Nowhere have I ever seen on mumsnet anyone say the begrudge welfare for the needy as a safety net.

You should live in a cardboard box ,cheeky

That would please 'em.

Wow so 15 pages is now beyond the wit of those who expect society to subsidise their lifestyles

Maybe their council house is their safety net.

No one has said to throw people on the streets nor that only the unemployed claim hb.

But the simple fact that people seem unable to grasp is that the hb bill is increasing year on year yet there are still people getting hb for a property that is larger than their needs whilst others sit waiting in temp homes or over crowed homes. This country cannot afford to cover the cost of this any longer. It is not proposed to bring back the poor house just limit what you can claim to what you need not what you want to hang on to.

Then they don't need extra rooms then do they?

So what are you going to do to help the homeless?

Yea cardboard box sounds good!

They are implementing that now as seemingly after over a decade of the socialist in charge not only did they bankrupt the country they failed to house the most vulnerable by giving out the social housing to those without any thought of how it could best be utilised.

They give you a house according to your needs at the time of applying.

Anyway do u think this is likely to spread to ppl who don't claim HB? Like ppl who work?

People who work do claim HB.

They give you a house according to your needs at the time of applying.

So if your needs change then so should your house. After all plenty who were given 2 beds now need 3 beds and so apply for larger housing.

I was answering Novack who seems to think they hand out 4 bedroomed houses willy nilly.

Yes usual I know but we don't don't think we qualify but do u think it will spread to ppl that pay full rent themselves?

Canspel but do u think it would b unfair to have to maybe move a lot? Especially of it is to different areas? Like u start with a one bed have a kid move to a 2 have another 2 kids move to a 3 one kid moves out back to a 2 other 2 move out back to a 1? Silly really

Exactly cantspell. The entitled seem to have no problem thinking it's 'erfectly acceptable for someone on benefits to get pregnant and then claim a need for a bedroom more then get it given at no expense then fail to grasp that the process should work in reverse too.

novackngood

i'm not sure how you can try and claim this is a problem caused by the labour party when it takes generations housing needs to change like this.

additionally, it was not given out with no thought to how the housing stock could be best utilised. the housing needs assessment has not changed substantially. but people have aged and their children have grown older.

to come back to another point... people need to apply for HB or other benefits because their finances have changed. i just hope it never happens to you. it's scary and worrying.

novack these are the people who will be penilised by the changes (incidently its not £14 a week thats just an average)

anybody whose child leaves education or starts uni even if they stay at home.
anybody who has a medical need to sleep alone if an adult in a couple.
anybody who has more than one child of the same sex up to age 16.
anybody who has more than one child of a different gender under 10.
anybody whose child has medical reasons to need to have a single room.
(even if to not do so constitutes criminal neglect)
(even if the square footage of the house means its legally overcrowded)
anybody who has a disabled adult who they are not in a relationship with living with them.
anybody who fits into the criteria who actually works.

blended families with children who dont share the same parents
foster carers.

as well as the people in to big houses unless those people are oap's

this will lead to significant issues,ask CAB and shelter it allready has even tho some areas only rolled out the changes this april. a return to overcrowded slums where more children than beds can fit into a room are the norm (this was recently used to bring charges of neglect along with other charges "forcing children to share beds" was the evidence wording in court).children are turfed out into bedsits because you can no longer afford to keep them at home,as well as so many other things.

if you own a house and need a bigger one you have the option to sell it and buy one,you can pick the area you have so many more choices and options you are not punished because you own. some of these extra bedrooms your banging on about being evidence of feckless or entitled behaviour are tiny box rooms that can only fit a bed in them. more people who claim HB work then dont,the ones who work rarely get full HB they do pay rent they do pay CT (oh and that rumor that they get free water and other such utilities is utter bollocks)

These fantastic Social houses are often damp and mouldy too, but thats ok renters don't deserve decent homes.

So now filling out a form is scarying and worrying. And the reward of money for nothing and housing subsidised by the rest of society is not enough that they at least provide their details in whatever language they can is too much too ask.

Usual
My private rent is damp and mouldy too
It's making us ill

It is not a tax. A tax is what you pay from money you earn. It is more of a clawback I would say. I don't agree with all aspects of it for example if people need an extra room for a carer. But in general if people have extra rooms they aren't using then I think it's fair.

So getting a bucket of hot water and a few drops of clove oil to clean away the damp is beyond their wit too?

Oh FFS stop being so ridiculous.