What are your views on the bedroom tax?

[Cheekychops84]

the new tax for hb claimants where u loose some hb for bedrooms u don't need? we work so at the moment won't b affected but if workers later on down the line are affected I think is a bit unfair as we are paying all rent and bills ourself at the same price as Private Rent?

Which is it shortage or 500,000 house glut. Make your mind up

The way people talk about social housing tenants as if they are non humans to be used to satisfy the twats who believe all the Tory bollocks about feckless scroungers disgust me.

novackngood

make my mind up on what?

there are several factors leading to low housing stock:

500,000 unoccupied homes
failure to regulate or use effective taxation for second home ownership
change of law in the 80s permitting people to purchase local authority owned houses

usualsuspect i dont want to throw them on the streets or make them live in one room without heating but why should you get a spare room when if they were a home owner they wouldn't.
If home owners are expected to cope with sofabeds then so should a renter.

Why should the poorest in society make all the sacrifices?

cantspel but at the point of housing need they weren't given a spare room; their children have to share bedrooms and they are unlikely to have more than a kitchen and a lounge, so no dining space.

So allowing the poor to achieve their dream at the rime of finally fullfillng their aspiration of home ownership in homes that they had basically payed for during the previous years was wrong whilst there area stlll by our figures over half a million empty houses was wrong.

Well £14 a week is still a lot :( we are jus outside London it's a 7-10 yr wait for a 3 bed. Took me 5 yrs to get a 2 bed which we now have 3 girls in very squished so looks like we stuck here:(

Loads of people have no dining space so i dont see that as any reason why someone cant have a sofabed in the lounge if due to some health issue the couple dont want or cant share thir bedroom any more.

They have a spare unneeded room now and now another family is in need the selfish poor want to draw up the drawbridge and say I`m aright jack.

Damn right they need to hang on to that house.

it's social housing stock; if people want to own their own homes, save up a deposit and get a mortage.

there are many more than 500k of people on the housing registers across the UK.

the gig is generally fucked though because property prices and rental prices are way higher than they should be in comparison to earnings.

Ah so now the poorest in society are responsible for the housing shortage.

Thought so

novackngood Right! soooo.... what are the rich doing to help then eh? why is it always those who are the poorest that are asked to pay for the rest?

The problem is that the housing stock is so low, that it is difficult to downsize. For instance, if I lived in a 3 bed house, but only needed a 2 bed, there is no housing stock available in my area of that size. So, I would have to move to a new area, move DC schools, work, etc for something that was not my fault. Why should I be penalised if I am trying to move but there is nowhere to move to in my area?

Also, my local council policy is to give people with children, who need a 2 bed a 3 bed, so why should I be penalised for their decision when I would have been happy with a 2 bed?

and those of you who keep quoting that website that says disabled people who need a carer or have a need to have their own room will not be affected need to know that is not true.and is evidenced by the areas who have allready put the changes into force and are using the formal issued guidelines.

the guidence sheet sent out to every LA(and currently laminated and sat on the desks of every hb employees desk) actually states the room disregard applys to everybody even a disabled person with a none residential carer. the reason why they say it wont impact on them is due to the descretionary housing payment fund accesed via hb who as a direct result of the welfare reforms have had the budget massively increased to make additional descretionary contributions towards rent any housing benefit claiment can apply for this and to do so they want to know your outgoings. they do not HAVE to pay anybody under any circumstances anything from that fund,they have no rules only guidelines. its a seperate claim procedure and worked out in a different way and they are perfectly at liberty to send you back a snotty letter telling you to spend less on certain things or use your disallowed income.

for those of you who have no idea how hb actually works there are a few things that you need to know.

you can only claim it if you have a legal enforcable agreement (tenancy agreement/mortgage)
you cannot claim it if a family member owns the property or rents the property.
as soon as a child ceases to be entitled to CB they cease to be a dependant so if they remain in your home you get the room disregard plus also get hit by the none dependant deduction but your child cannot claim any hb towards the rent.

usualsuspect of course they are [roll eyes]

tis always the poor, not the greedy rich. ach well, the 1% brainwash the 99% into believing it's their fault as always.

what irritates me the most is that it will invariably be someone supporting them who is just as likely to become one of the "poor" at some point. so much easier to point the finger if it makes you feel you can gain a step up the social ladder at the same time...

It's the rich and struggling middle class who are paying for all those spare bedroom blocking entitled freeloaders.

Usual suspect you come out with the same nonsense on every thread. "Why should the poorest in society make all the sacrifices?"

Yet you fail to realise that free healthcare, free education, free housing, spending allowance without a single days work every being done are already very costly and huge benefits for them already. Professional counciling at every stage of there life over and over and yet you can never explain why should the people who work keep paying for others to have things that many of those who work do not have nor cannot afford.

Lol think I know another reason other then right to buy y housing is short SH will never keep up with demand especially with low wages ! If we could save a deposit and get a mortgage I wud as living like this not knowing if ur home will b taken away is a great way to live not! To b honest this will b hard for them to keep in top of as ppl's situations change all the time.

You really are quite stupid.Do you really think everyone in a council house doesn't work?

2 bed housing stock will become available as people have to downsize so those in a 3/2 bed will move to a 2/1 bed depending on need, the 3/2bed will go to those who needs it,

novackngood i'm sorry, but you are just reiterating a myth. many people on HB ARE working.

we have a welfare state; it provides for everyone. so the rich or struggling middles classes can access free healthcare and free education as well. they can also register for social housing if they wish too.

and what spending allowance? seriously? they receive a small amount of money to cover essentials, whilst also jumping through hoops, filling out endless paperwork and being monitored throughout. everytime their circumstances changes they have to report in like naughty children and risk their benefits being stopped or changed at the whim of whichever government or change of legislation.

they have little or no stability, and become easily trapped in a system that just about keeps them safe, but can be hard to get out of.

and the real reason they are still poor? because the rich in our society will not share their wealth. people are kept down by low, unliveable wages and in shoddy poor accommodation owned in the main by people with more than enough capital.

9 out of 10 HB claiments are employeed

So filling our a form to prove you are indeed who you are is now classed as jumping through hoops and endless paperwork. LOL

Rich will not share their wealth!! What nonsense.

Novacandgood think that's right? Most of my friends Inc myself work and work really hard in rubbish paying jobs! Paying full rent ok maybe I should have concentrated more at school and become some high up executive so I could buy my own 5 bed house and pay tax for the poor to live on but I didn't . But I cannot afford to rent private to mortgage or to part rent part buy I have no choice well I do I could make myself homeless maybe you would like that jus see us all on the street at least then u cud spit on us as u walk by?