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To find this patronising

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pouffepants · 08/08/2012 21:59

I don't know, maybe others haven't experienced this, but during the many conversations that everyone is having about the olympics, I hear lots of people admit they're not massively into sport, quite like the fact we're doing well in the olympics, but are really looking forward to watching the paralympics. Usually followed by some kind of statement like 'that's where the real heroes are'.

Why would you watch the paralympics if you're not into sport? You aren't interested in competition of nations, you're even less likely to know the rules etc, which are often tweaked or entirely new, you have no appreciation for physical brilliance, you might just have a smidgen of patriotism. So frankly the only reason you are watching is to goggle at the disabilities as if it's some kind of freak show.

They are elite athletes who train as hard as the 'real' ones. Don't start telling me that this is inclusive sport for all abilities. No, these are the most talented physically disabled athletes. There are many non-talented, disabled people too who are as shite at sport as me. Shall we go and watch them overcome their obstacles just for the hell of it, because I'm certain that some people have to put as much effort into getting out of bed and functioning (if that) everyday, as a paralympic athlete who trains to their limits just as an able-bodied athlete does.

Please, if you're going to support these athletes, then treat them as serious sportsmen and women. If you're not into sport then it's not for you.

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LivingThings · 08/08/2012 22:37

My elderly Dad has never been into sport in his entire life however he will watch Wimbledon avidly once a year and also some Golf thing held here every year. Football World Cups and various other high profile sporting events. He has been watching the Olympics and will most porbably watch the Paralympics. I don't think he would be patronising if he did.

I am very into sport and have enjoyed this Olympics even more than previous ones I have watched. I have only watched paralympic sport in the last couple of Oympics but I expect I will watch more this time and that is probably due to the superb coverage we are being afforded this time. I have only seem Paralympic swimming and running before but am really looking forward to the wheelchair basketball - I am watching because I am in awe of their fitness and achievements just as I do the Athletes we have been watchin these last two weeks. (and because what Ive seen of wheelchair basketball its fast furious and awsome! - cant wait!) Am I patronising?

exoticfruits · 08/08/2012 22:38

I think that it is patronising to start a thread about it. I have never seen a problem-I'm sure they want an admiring crowd cheering them on. I admire anyone who has the dedication to train to that level and if they have to overcome disability to do it then I admire them even more.

pouffepants · 08/08/2012 22:39

All the different weight categories in judo and boxing couldn't compete against each other, obviously the big ones would win. We don't consider the smaller ones any less champions though.

Why can chair racing and blind running not be classified as proper track events, in the olympics?

If it was all mixed up together I'm sure we'd all end up watching all manner of stuff as we have been, as it is some people choose to either avoid the paralympics or ONLY watch the paralympics, neither of which gives them the credit they deserve.

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GhostShip · 08/08/2012 22:39

Am I not allowed to watch Asian Tv Channels either? Because I don't watch English ones so I don't really want to be seen patronising them because obviously my only interest in them is because they're different...

exoticfruits · 08/08/2012 22:41

Apart from that they are inspirational. Accidents happen out of the blue -to anyone -(not just 'other' people) and it is great to think that you too could overcome disability if you were faced with it.

pouffepants · 08/08/2012 22:42

Livingthings, it is completely logical to watch both forms of the olympics, in fact it is a triumph for disabled people that so many people consider them equal.

I'm talking about people who watch one and not the other.

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ethelb · 08/08/2012 22:44

I think any discomfort is due to the mistaken notion that respect comes from assuming we are all the same rather than from embracing difference.

Sirzy · 08/08/2012 22:44

Firstly it would be practically impossible to schedule things for it all to happen at once. Whereas the Olympics is only split into male and female races the Paralympics each event is split into many different categories dependant on the disability (not quite as simple as just adding in a chair race)

DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 08/08/2012 22:47

Err, I am confused by what point you are trying to make!

I thought you were annoyed by people who are patronising to disabled people & saw themselves as very worthy by liking the Paralympics?

But then on here no one seems to have come across that... And now the way you're expressing yourself is steering perilously close to defining people all as one group by their disabilities... Which is NOT a good thing, however well meant.

The Paralympics is about SPORTING achievement... Not the achievements of disabled people as a group.

I am someone struggling with having become disabled, but I don't compare my 'heroism' to any althete competing in the Paralympics, as my struggle is nowt to do with sport, so Very weird to
Even think about comparing!!!

Btw I am not sure I'd call Paralympic teams 'lucky'... Bit odd!

OP I think maybe you have the best of motives, but have got a little turned around somewhere along the line!

pouffepants · 08/08/2012 22:47

Surely if the whole lot was split over 4 weeks it would be fine. It would be the same as now but integrated.

I don't the scheduling would be a problem, but accommodation might?

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Scarredbutnotbroken · 08/08/2012 22:49

Why does being injured in combat make you more of a hero than a regular Olympic athlete?

Neither is a selfless act.

pouffepants · 08/08/2012 22:49

Double, you seem to be saying what I'm saying.

Their achievements are in sport and this is what should be lauded, not the fact they happen to be disabled.

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LadyBeagleEyes · 08/08/2012 22:50

If anyone is patronising, it's you Op.
Though I'm still not quite getting your point.

OhDearNigel · 08/08/2012 22:53

I don't feel sorry for them. They are all amazing sportsmen and women, irrespective of disability and every one of the paralympic team has achieved far more than I ever will do so why on earth would they need my sympathy ?
I'm a reasonable swimmer but I have no doubt that Claire Cashmore would wipe the floor with me.

GhostShip · 08/08/2012 22:53

Scarred - because they've overcome it. And done something with a shit situation. Lots have post traumatic stress at having their limbs blown off and seeing their friends die at the side of them, just getting over that makes them my hero. All for their country.

LivingThings · 08/08/2012 22:59

Pouffle - maybe this Olympics will be different as it is London and has mega media coverage and so people who probably wouldn't normally have watched have been drawn in. I am hoping the good old Beeb give a decent coverage to the Payalypics as I would be watching if they do.

As an aside I have a few (not sporty in the slightest) friends who having failed to get Olympic tickets and have bought some for the Paralympics instead (as I would if hubby would let me but he's got lots on at work boo!) They are mostly going for the atmosphere etc but honestly it can only help to raise the profile of the Paralympic games in my opinion and having more people exposed to it canonly be a good thing in my opinion.

Scarredbutnotbroken · 08/08/2012 23:03

Oh god. For their country...... Like it wasn't an informed career choice with known risks. God I can't even be bothered

SoleSource · 08/08/2012 23:04

I have loved the Olympics this year and shall continue to do so I suspect.

Krumbum · 08/08/2012 23:08

Yanbu. It pisses me off that the paraolympics is separate. Why is it not at the same time. Why does it need to be its own separate game. It's patronising.

DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 08/08/2012 23:18

pouffe I do get & agree with what you ate trying to say, & find it really positive that majority of people haven't experienced this annoying attitude (must admit I haven't either).

People are getting riled because of the way you are expressing it, particularly when you ate trying to explain it & it actually sounds like you are arguing the opposite!

MamaMumra · 08/08/2012 23:20

Do you know anyone who will only watch the Paralympics For the reasons you've said, whilst actively avoiding the Olympics? Or is it just a general annoyance?

DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 08/08/2012 23:20

While I'm here... Can anyone tell me why the Paralympics are held after the closing ceremony? I don't get that & assume there must be a reason I haven't thought of?

Kladdkaka · 08/08/2012 23:33

While I'm here... Can anyone tell me why the Paralympics are held after the closing ceremony? I don't get that & assume there must be a reason I haven't thought of?

Because they are organised and run by 2 seperate organisations (one based in Switzerland and t'other in Germany), with their own opening and closing ceremonies. They do work together but they are entirely different entities.

clemetteattlee · 08/08/2012 23:34

Because they are different events.

My friend who competed in the last Paralympics argues vociferously AGAINST them being merged.

And there are paralympians who have ME.

DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 08/08/2012 23:36

Oooohhhh Kladd thank you! Had no idea they were run by two different organisations... I now have knowledge I shall drop into conversation to see if it was only me who had no idea!