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Was I unreasonable to forgive her?! DFriend and my seriously ill sister :(

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caution · 28/07/2012 12:30

Ok so I've been dear friends with a great woman for the best part of a decade (so since I was 19/ 20). She's a couple of years older than me but generally I'm the robust 'together one', I have settled relationships, good job etc whereas she lurches from one crisis to another (boyfriend trouble, money trouble etc). We seem to have developed this dynamic that is pretty much all about her, and that's fine I'm in the 'caring professions' so it feels quite natural to drop everything and be there for her when she needs support. My DH thinks I'm bonkers but hey ho, she's my best friend and I care for her deeply.

Anyway a year ago I had some terrible news when I found out my severely learning disabled DSis had developed a serious illness due to negligence on the part of the health professionals. I don't want to say what it was for fear of outing myself but think cancer.. or going blind, something of that gravity. All the evidence suggests my DSis was given a second rate service because of her disability and not really being 'worth' medical intervention - I was understandably devastated and RAGING in equal measure and embarked on a massive fight with the authorities to get her treatment sorted.

DFriend and I live on opposite sides of the country so I told her of the above via an ongoing text correspondance.. and I got no reply.

Two days later.. still no reply

A week later I get a silly, jovial text message from DFriend about something trivial and I thought "ah, she clearly didnt get my message about DSis as she wouldnt have contacted me in such a chirpy manner if she'd known what I am going through"

So I asked her if she'd got the text and she replied with "oh yeah, sorry I didn't reply, I was out with BF at the time, awful news huh?".. and then she carried on wittering about the trivial topic of conversation.

I was SHAKING with anger, I felt her response was indicative of the medical attitudes that had led to my sister being so ill - people thinking she is sub-human, that cancer or whatever isn't as bad if it happens to a LD person because they're not quite as important as the rest of us. I just couldn't believe my DFriend of 10 years could be so insensitive a) to my sister or b) be so disinterested in my feelings despite me having bust a gut on several occasions to be there for her during crises which frankly pale into insignificance against what was happening to my DSis.

So I very clamly had it out with her, told her how let down I was by her response. She tried making some rather lame excuses that were all 'me me me' but before I had chance to respond she rather insightfully recognised what she was doing, stepped back and apologised, she accepted there were no excuses and that this situation was not about her and her difficulties, she accepted she'd been a rubbish friend and said it wouldn't happen again. I felt we'd reached a common ground and was happy to accept her apology and move on.

Other friends told me they thought I was too forgiving and would have dumped her. WIU to forgive her??

The reason I'm asking is because the friendship continued on as normal for a while, lots of dramas and boyfriend trouble for her (so emergency phonecalls, visits, and massive text and email support from me).. but now I've had another crisis (completely out of the blue!) and I'm finding her response somewhat lacking again. Can't help feeling I should have learned my lesson the first time :(

Gosh, I'm sorry this is so long.

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whackamole · 28/07/2012 12:38

YANBU. I think it is really difficult to know what to say about difficult issues, and the problem with not doing it verbally is that the other person has loads of time trying to think of something supportive and positive to say without being insensitive. Because of this, it often means the response is delayed.....and delayed....and delayed.....until they feel like it has been too long to respond to that particular issue.

I think this is what has happened here, your friend has owned up to not being as supportive as she could have and you have accepted this. If this is not something that she generally does, and you feel the the apology is heartfelt then why would you not accept it?

I'm sorry about your sister by the way, sounds horrible.

Mayisout · 28/07/2012 12:39

that's fine I'm in the 'caring professions' so it feels quite natural to drop everything and be there for her when she needs support

So maybe she also feels it's quite natural for you to drop everything and give support to her and also feels, due to past one-sided friendship, that you won't expect her to do the same.

Mayisout · 28/07/2012 12:41

Also, with her life of never-ending 'dramas' all about her she sounds pretty self-centred.

FridayNightOlympicRing · 28/07/2012 12:42

Your situation sounds awful and I hope your Sis is able to make some sort of recovery, is she getting the treatment she needs now?

Your friend sounds crap, I have a similar friend, everything is about her dramas and it's always me that has to provide support. I've put some distance between us now and won't be available day and night, whatever her crisis is. I'll still meet for the odd coffee but I'm not getting as involved in her life.

If my friend had failed to support me during a really tough time, the way yours has, I'd probably be wondering whether to make the distance larger and more permanent. Do you have other support? What positives does this friend bring to your life?

maytheoddsbeeverinyourfavour · 28/07/2012 12:43

I think you did the right thing in forgiving her the first time

But she has no excuses now, you gave her the benefit of the doubt and she has shown her true colours

I'm sorry she hasn't been the friend you deserve

Inneedofbrandy · 28/07/2012 12:43

I would of forgave it the first time but not the second time. I know you shouldnt give to receive and all that but all the effort you have put in to friendship you would expect support back. Even if you hadnt ran after her and her problems when you have something of that magnitude in your life you would hope your friends would be there for you. I think these kind of crisis show who your real friends are. OP I would just cut her out sounds like shes a emotional vampire and you don't live near each other to even have to be civil if you see her in the street. Life is to short to waste time with mememe people.

AgentZigzag · 28/07/2012 12:44

I don't think you were being unreasonable to accept her apology, it seemed genuine enough if she admitted she knew she was being self centred.

Even though you've accepted this as the dynamic of your friendship with her for so many years, it doesn't mean you have to for all time.

You shouldn't have to remind her to support you, she's obviously used to being the cared for one, it's unlikely she's going to change now.

If you choose not to live with that then you might need to back off for your own sake or it's just going to hurt you every time she does it.

Sunnywithachanceofshowers · 28/07/2012 12:46

YANBU. Your 'friend' sounds like a selfish cow and you'd be well shot of her.

I'm so sorry about your sister, I hope she makes a good recovery.

caution · 28/07/2012 12:46

Yeah mayisout that's what I said to DH, he is quite angry at her but I kind of think I've made a rod for my own back in a way.

Thanks whackamole - I think what I'm learning about her is that this lack of support is perhaps quite normal and typical of her/ our friendship, in which case I either need to put up with it or dump her. Or address it with her.. again. But do I really only want a friend to support me because I explicitly had to ask her to on more than one occassion? Hmm its tough.

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RandomMess · 28/07/2012 12:48

I agree with AgentZigZag.

I would however text her and point out to her that she is not being a supportive friend.

Leave the ball in her court, don't have it out with her, just give her the heads up that she's being shitty again then leave her to it.

lastnerve · 28/07/2012 12:48

So sorry about your sister,

She sounds very self centered and I doubt she will change.

caution · 28/07/2012 12:48

Thanks for the kind words about my DSis, we're slowly going in the right direction with her treatment!

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AgentZigzag · 28/07/2012 12:53

You must have got something from the caring role you had in your friendship caution, or it would have ended years before now.

What happened when you've needed support before now? Did you know you wouldn't get any from her and had other friends you could lean on?

Iheartpasties · 28/07/2012 12:54

I just hate it when you are happily going along with a friendship that feels great right up until the point where you have to look at it and realise that no they are being totally crap and it has been a one sided friendship.

I really believe she has had her chance with you and now she has shown you how crap she is so you need to just start to get over her and move on. Don;t let her sap any more of your energy.

It feels really sad to loose a friendship but it's not right that she is not being supportive of you.

edam · 28/07/2012 12:59

Sorry to hear about your sister - if you have the energy, it may be worth contacting MIND, who have been campaigning/lobbying about the treatment of people with LDs by some in the NHS who should fucking well know better.

caution · 28/07/2012 13:01

I've never really needed 'support' as such agentzigzag, but what I have always got out of the friendship is a hell of a lot of fun! Also we're from similar backgrounds so have similar political values etc we have a lot of deep and meaningful chats, I guess we share a similar world view a lot of the time. Where we don't agree its never conflictual, we love learning about each other's point of view, I guess there is a lot of acceptance between us.

We are comfortable together whether its 5am being dragged off the dancefloor by a bouncer cos the club is closing or snuggled up in bed together having a brew. We really are very close in a lot of ways, just not necessarily when I need her.

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DowagersHump · 28/07/2012 13:02

I think a dynamic often gets set in friendships, particularly long-standing ones, and it's incredibly difficult to break out of it.

She realised that your relationship is all about you supporting her when you pulled her up on it but now she's slipped back into her comfortable role.

I can see why you forgave her the first time - everyone deserves a second chance but I wouldn't give her a third.

My sister is also seriously ill and she has lost a couple of friends for exactly the same reasons - basically very self-absorbed people who (for example) responded to her telling them that she was going into hospital again with stuff like 'oh dear. I've had a terrible cold this week' Hmm

Hope your sister goes from strength to strength.

caution · 28/07/2012 13:03

Thanks edam, I've been reading some of the work Mencap have done in this area too and it is truly shocking.

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ImperialBlether · 28/07/2012 13:04

I would lose the friendship. She is so self centred and you are acting as a crutch to her - fine, but she seems to want the crutch all of her life and for no-one else to need it.

I'm so sorry about your sister. I can't believe she didn't phone you as soon as she could to talk to you about it.

Fair enough that she apologised. I would have forgiven that (maybe) but now she's obviously not learned anything from it.

It's an unequal relationship. And just because you're in the caring profession, it doesn't mean you should put up with crap from friends. Surely you need more help, not less, because of the toll it takes on you.

NarkedRaspberry · 28/07/2012 13:06

You have a one sided 'friendship'. You are a friend to her, she's not a friend to you.

I'm sorry this happened to your sister.

caution · 28/07/2012 13:06

Thank you for all the replies guys. I couldn't tell if my other friends/ DH were just being biased so your objective perspective has been really helpful. Looks like I have some thinking to do.

Thanks again.

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thebody · 28/07/2012 13:06

So sorry op. your friendship was one sided with her doing all the taking. Now it's her turn to give she can't or won't.

Either realise she won't change or do the sensible thing and distance yourself..

Hope your sis gets the best care.

RnB · 28/07/2012 13:07

Sorry about your sister, how dreadful...

I absolutely understand how you feel about your friend, and tbh I would not have forgiven her. She is take, take, take and cannot seem to bring herself to give back in return. A dreadful quality in someone...

I've had a recent experience with my disabled son (major legal/educational battle) and it soon became clear which of my friends and family actually gave a shit.

CuriousMama · 28/07/2012 13:11

She won't change. You either accept her as she is or move onto other less one sided friendships.

So sorry about your dsis that's awful Sad

Nat38 · 28/07/2012 13:11

So sorry to hear about your sisSad, glad treatment has started to go in right direction!Smile
Friendship is about give & take-sometimes you give & sometimes you take, your friend needs to realise when it`s her turn to give to you!Angry
IMO this attitude covers all sorts of situations, not just about emotional support!!

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