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To get annoyed by Mummy Businesses

229 replies

NeilFan · 17/07/2012 23:46

You know the type cake making, knitting, cup cakes, carding etc. Generally SAHMs whos kids are now at school and feel the need to go back into work but can't really be bothered. They pick up some hobby that people have diplomaticaly said they are good at and think it can be a business. Only know one person who actually has a talent for their business choice, all of the others would be better just asking for cash directly rather than palming off sub standard products onto polite friends. Same goes for all of that pampered chef and candle party lot who are even more deluded. My first post on mumsnet but this stuff really annoys me!

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Cheriefroufrou · 18/07/2012 18:59

LAMINATES them! if she animated them I'ld be more impressed!

ChippingInNeedsCoffee · 18/07/2012 19:28

So the bitchfest continues. It's really grim that so many people feel the need to be so nasty when someone else is just trying to make ends meet or cover the costs of their hobby... if you don't like it or don't want it - don't buy it.

stonetheroses - My SIL is an artist, her art is in galleries, she sells her art for a lot of money & to people who know/buy/appreciate good art, so seemingly she's very good (though it's not a style I like one bit)... she doesn't feel the need to sneer at others and put them down. Why do you? If someone wants to thread some pretty beads, put a clasp on & sell it & someone else wants to buy it - then it's up to them, same with hand made cards. Supply/demand is not determined by snotty people claiming their Art is good and everyone else's is rubbish Hmm So very bloody rude.

Cheriefroufrou · 18/07/2012 19:30

"when someone else is just trying to make ends meet or cover the costs of their hobby."

Because most of the time they're not covering the cost of their hobby, their just covering the cost of buying their friends tat in return for them buying theirs! But they haven't worked this out..

kerala · 18/07/2012 19:32

Actually have an urgent need for cards (post birthday thank you cards need to be out by end of term eek) wish someone would come along and sell me some!

TuesdayNightClub · 18/07/2012 19:40

This is a horrible thread. The few people I've known to set up these business have been really hard working and talented, and I've supported them 100%. I've never felt pressured to buy their stuff.

When I was between jobs, I made a gift for my newborn niece. My SIL and her hundreds of visitors admired it so much that I got some 'orders' and my hobby grew into something I was doing or others in exchange for a very small amount of money. It was a dark time in my life - being jobless is horrendous - and doing this gave me a much needed sense of worth and purpose again. But no, please, piss all over that.

And I'm not even a mummy, so your theory is shit.

NeilFan · 18/07/2012 19:44

First psot on Mumsnet and I messed it up - two posts! Not sure how I did that. Anyone want to set up a business coaching incompetants to post?
Anyway back to the original topic. Thanks to all of the people who have refined my point in a way I never could.
It is the people who have money to fund the 'enterprise', they are making minimal money, certainly not covering costs. Often beause of that comfortable background they have no comprehension that others can't spare the cash to buy their crap.
By being so heavily funded they are killing the market for the people who really want to make money from the craft, of which there are many on this thead so sorry if I offended them.
Saying they are in Business though is as credible as my son being in star command when he puts on his Buzz outfit.

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toptramp · 18/07/2012 19:50

YABU and a bit wierd. Anything that is an attempt to make money is good in a recession surely? If you don't want it then bog off. I used to sell my own (beads threaded on string with a clasp) jewellery and great fun it was too. I didn't earn a salary but it stopped me from going mad before going back to work.

toptramp · 18/07/2012 19:51

Oh and btw I am a single mum and there has been no rich husband to support me so ner!

Lucyellensmum99 · 18/07/2012 19:52

fair point Neil!

dontcallmehon · 18/07/2012 19:53

What's the difference between a 'mummy business' and a 'proper business' then? Is it the amount of money they make? If so that is extremely snobbish! I regard myself as a real business woman and I make a reasonable amount of money - but if I didn't, I would still be a real business woman.

I also have ambitions to take it further and have given up a relatively well paid, full time job to do so.

I have considered my family when making this decision, but I am no 'mumtrepeneur.' How horribly patronising.

toptramp · 18/07/2012 19:55

I don't think that it is killing the market; surely the competition is healthy?

Cheriefroufrou · 18/07/2012 20:00

"What's the difference between a 'mummy business' and a 'proper business' then?"

it is declared
it is properly registered if applicable
the appropriate insurances and certificates are in place (particularly for baking etc)
Training/CRB if appropriate
trades to the general public not its captive audience of school mums

the usual over heads of business, which a lot of mummy businesses don't have and get angry about if you enquire before deciding about purchasing from them/hiring them
of COURSE this makes it hard for real buisnesses which DO cover these basics pay for and reflect in their prices

The "real" business may be a mum, but that isn't the same as a mummy business

mrsconfuseddotcom · 18/07/2012 20:14

YABU and patronising.

If people want to spend time making things for a few extra pennies then good for them. I do, however, know several women who have turned kitchen table enterprises into profitable businesses.

Also, not all women want ball busting corporate careers. Some want to combine motherhood with some sort of work and as the pay for part-time pay is often so crap many choose to work for themselves.

Life would be so bloody dull if were all the same...

mamadiva · 18/07/2012 20:16

I don't mind the genuine ones where they actually have some sort skill but I have a few friends who are now doing 'facebook' businesses.

One charges £7.50 for a big candle (cheap tat from Ebay) with a bit of paper stuck round it with a personalised message (typed and printed at home) and glued on with poundland PVA!
Another glues diamantes onto cheap shoes and sells them off as bespoke.

This wouldn't bother me so much except that I have known both these people since school and neither have ever completed a college course or had a job.

mamadiva · 18/07/2012 20:19

Should also add that both of these ladies are and always have been on benefits and have no intentions of turning these into full time jobs or ever declaring the extra income.

aquashiv · 18/07/2012 20:27

Pampered chef is the work of the devil I agree I think its part of Scientology isnt it?
Women who are trying to balance work out of this world costing childcare and sanity arent. I have so much admiration for anyone using what ever skill they have to earn a buck they are trying.

Cheriefroufrou · 18/07/2012 20:37

the mummybuisnesses I know don't make money, they are not the same as real work out of home mothers

I've seen them say "ooo I've made £40 tonight", err no, you TOOK £40 tonight - TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING!, you spent £30 on other people's candles and other tat, you bought your raw materials the most expensive way (hobbycraft/range etc), you DIDN'T EVEN BREAK EVEN you are paying to sell this stuff!

snoopyplaystennis · 18/07/2012 20:46

We are lucky to live in a democracy and free market. Women have been doing "cottage industries" for years, and often really need the extra cash and for those who are doing "hobbyist" jobs, big deal, I simply do not believe they are damaging these industries.

This is the nastiest op post and thread I have come across in a long time. Women truly can't win can they? Horrible, bitchy and pathetic.

thebody · 18/07/2012 20:47

What a horrible thread!! Nasty and spiteful.

If someone sells goods that someone wants to buy that's business...

ColouringIn · 18/07/2012 20:49

OP - welcome to Mumsnet

..and congratulations for a first post that has got people riled Grin

Oh and YABU

Cheriefroufrou · 18/07/2012 20:50

"If someone sells goods that someone wants to buy that's business..."

yeah but noone would be irritated by that really would they? its the useless tat you'ld never buy if not pressured into it by friends/school mums that's annoying. Its not a real business, its just like pyramid schemes etc, its not like genuine cottage industries / work from home mothers is it?

limitedperiodonly · 18/07/2012 20:50

stone I would not call myself a Journalist with a capital J because because that's wrong and looks pompous.

That's my knowledge, not particularly specialised btw, so my antennae go up when I see people describing themselves as an Artist or an Actor, for that matter. Probably, I'd think Plumber or Toilet Attendant was just a typo.

You were right that it was a personal comment to you because it was, but it was a relevant one.

Like you with your talent for painting, I get miffed when people suggest that attention to things like the correct use of capital letters doesn't matter because: 'you can read and understand'.

It's never okay to dismiss people's hard work and talent because it doesn't matter that much to you. It seems an ironic conversation to have, given the subject, and I'd never dream of saying that about someone else's work.

I agree with you that I've had people trying to steal my style. They can't because it's my style but surely you're not suggesting the act of painting is a unique skill? I wish writing was because I'd demand royalties all over the shop.

It doesn't bother me that people who have no idea about what the job means describe themselves as journalists because I'm secure in my talent.

NeilFan · 18/07/2012 20:55

thebody it is only a business if it makes money, covers costs and compensates for the time and materials used. Otherwise it is just a hobby and it does distort the market.
No issue if they want to waste their time at a craft fair but against pestering friends into purchasing.
They are often from such comfortable backgrounds they have no comprehension that people can not really afford it but may be ashamed to say no.

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mrscumberbatch · 18/07/2012 20:58

My 'Mummy business' was to throw myself into my antiques business.

You can't be shit at it, or not know your stuff as you'd fail massively.

Thus - feck off because some businesses are PROPER businesses.

But YANBU also as there are twice as many people out there trying to pass off cheap chinese jewellery from ebay as 'Vintage' and so completely spoiling my market.

If I am selling Edwardian Cameos for £30 (extremely fair), I do not want people to haggle with me because "That shop over there is selling cameos for a tenner"
It's because it's shit plastic tat from China that's overpriced.

This is the reason why I don't do markets anymore. There is no talent, nor craft, nor anything worth spending money on. Just folk trying to make a quick buck unsuccessfully.

LimeLeafLizard · 18/07/2012 20:59

Adults who are ashamed to say 'no thank you I don't want to buy a cupcake / bunting / knitted baby hat' really need to get a grip.