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To think England isn't such a great place to live

389 replies

Cloudminnow · 15/07/2012 18:52

Not just the weather, but so much more ...

parking fees everywhere and having to have change at hand (or very expensive pay as you leave - £8.80 to park for an afternoon shopping today!!)

hopeless and expensive public transport system

traffic jams all over the place

terrible customer service

obsession with celebrity culture and all it stands for

union flag and all it stands for

embarrassing monarchy (even having to have one at all)

desperate government

Olympics sponsored by Coke

Education system overly concerned with literacy, numeracy and data at the expense of a love of learning and creativity...

Can anyone sell England to me?!

OP posts:
PetiteRaleuse · 16/07/2012 10:25

ivy the media wouldn't make a profit if people didn't buy what they sell. AND the media shouldn't be just for profit - there should be a modicum of responsibility and respect both for the slebs and consumers.

Chandon · 16/07/2012 10:25

popooinmytoes,

mexico has much better, cheaper, comfortable public transport (fab bus system). Holland/Belgium are lots cheaper, and better, as are Denmark and Germany.

I am shocked to pay £60 for a return ticket to London, as it is a one hour journey only. Train London to the North prohibitively expensive for family of 4, IMO. London tube very expensive too.

The chocolate is an issue, can only eat Belgian or Swiss, but also Green and Black. cadburry's would not be allowed to call itself chocolate outside the UK, due to low cocoa content Grin, I rest my case.

But but but....

the important thing is that England is GREAT! Despite these minor niggles. Grin

I forgot to add to my love-list:

  • fried breakfast
  • fish and chips
  • combined with the fact that so many people are overweight, I feel slim by comparison, and can happily indulge Wink
ivykaty44 · 16/07/2012 10:27

AND the media shouldn't be just for profit

I agree whole heartedly

ThePigOnTheWall · 16/07/2012 10:32

Which is why the BBC is so important imo. The BBC is definitely a BIG plus for the UK in my book, especially radio.

worldcitizen · 16/07/2012 10:34

The Media does have a Code of Practice and Ethics they supposed to follow, so that would be all part of (secondary)education, so the citizen can make informed decisions, right?!

worldcitizen · 16/07/2012 10:35

The BBC is THE BEST broadcasting channel!!!!!!!! Best television and radio shows!!!!!!!!

Takver · 16/07/2012 10:45

Oh, but one thing that Britain clearly does best is social media - the US has facebook, we have Mumsnet . . . what more can you say Grin

Spuddybean · 16/07/2012 10:56

Chandon, I don't really eat chocolate but have you ever tasted american 'chocolate'? if you think cadbury's is bad

Also agree about size. I find Europe difficult as i am (not fat but quite strapping at) 5ft 10in and 'athletic', broad shouldered, big thighed etc. When i am Milan/Italy i feel like a badly dressed giant :( Then i come home and feel fine again. The only other place i feel physically comfortable is Canada.

I agree we have media which is judgmental of size/looks/clothes but i don't feel that is reflected on the street. I think we have a much more quirky and individual sense of stye. In Europe (particularly Italy, France and Spain) i feel much more judged on appearance when just out and about.

PetiteRaleuse · 16/07/2012 10:56

I completely agree that the BBC - Tv and radio - is world class. I get really annoyed when some parts of the press try to whip the people up into an anti BBC frenzy, and am really angry at the government for trying to do its level best to put pressure on the BBC and cut its funding.

That said, the BBC alone wouldn't be enough to persuade me to go back to the UK. I can watch it / listen here in france :)

ThePigOnTheWall · 16/07/2012 11:02

Yes Petite, the internet is a truly marvellous invention as it lets you listen to BBC radio anywhere. I simply couldn't function without BBC radio

PetiteRaleuse · 16/07/2012 11:05

Me neither. I don't mind French radio in the car but there's something very comforting about having radiotwo four on in the background at home.

ThePigOnTheWall · 16/07/2012 11:09

Oh lord yes French radio - there's only so much accordian a girl can take Wink

HipHopOpotomus · 16/07/2012 11:12

The Olympics have been sponsored by coke all my life. Nothing to do with England.

DancesWithWoolsEnPointe · 16/07/2012 11:30

Right, I've slept on this. OP If you are even still reading this, here is my honest response on a topic that it important to me. I'm not going to sell you England, but I am going to speak honestly about what it means to live in another country. This is not just my opinion, it is based on my own experiences, other members of my family's experiences and some close friends. The countries I've known people to move to include US, Canada, Aus, NZ, France, Spain, The Netherlands, Hong Kong, the UAE, the Carribbean South Africa, Colombia, Finland, Sweden and Germany.

When moving abroad you have two choices - an English based culture or a non-English based culture. If you choose an English based culture i.e. America, Canada, South Africa, the Carribean, New Zealand, Australia - you will not get away from many of the things you have complained about in England. The education systems are the same or very similar, celebrity culture is the same if not worse, the sponsporship of events certainly won't change, major cities the world over are grid locked, the big cities that have public transport are the same type of systems, many of these countries have the Union Jack on their flag anyway, and the same monarch. So this is a moot point, and you'd only be immigrating to escape the weather. And assuming you want to stay in a first world culture, its off to Australia or the southern USA for you then, as everywhere else has as shitty, if not worse, weather than us.

Should you choose to enter a different culture - be very careful that what you are imagining is the reality of living there. Most cultures are very unwelcoming of people that do things differently to them. Think of how the non-English speaking immigrants are treated in the UK, and realise that this is how you will be treated if you try and integrate yourself into a non-English speaking country. They are polite and friendly when you are a tourist, but when you permanently try and live in their society, it is a different story. Most British immigrants in these sorts of countries wind up joining ex-pat clubs, sending their children to the British international schools and only making friends with other expats. Also expect all your qualifications and work experience to suddenly count for nothing, as your University and previous employers will mean nothing, so prepare to start at the bottom. Just as their are people with MBAs from Eastern Europe working behind our shop counters. Added to this, there is xenophobia and a strong resistance to immigrants in a lot of European countries, ala the BNP (see the recent shootings in Norway). Realise that you will be the foreigner, taking away the locals jobs as it were. Also imagine please doing your tax in a foreign language, visiting the emergency room with a sick child in a foreign language and culture, going to a parent's evening where you don't know what the teacher is saying...

Finally immigrating is the most financially devastating thing you can do. Realise what you are suggesting. Selling up your home, cashing in your pension, shipping all your stuff to another country, and selling it and buying new on the other side. This is horrendously expensive. You are also talking your kids away from absolutely everything and everyone they know, and putting them into a completely different education system where they will stick out like sore thumbs.

I'm sorry to seem harsh - I am not anti-immigration and making a new and better life for yourself and your family somewhere else - but it is not a simple or easy thing. It is a massive decision, with long reaching consequences and should not be undertaken because you are upset that coke is sponsoring the Olympics or that Just Call Me Dave is a pillock. Instead, why not try making a difference here, making England a better place to live, protest what you don't like, support those that you do. And compare apples with apples. If you don't like living in the city, don't be mentally comparing central London to rural France. You have to compare central London to central Paris, or downtown Amsterdam etc. And if you want to get out of the city, you can do that within the UK...

Apologies for essay. Rant over, Dances climbs off her soap box now and skulks off to do some work...

ivykaty44 · 16/07/2012 11:32

Unfortunately I think the BBC has lost its world class and is trading on an old reputation.

i watched bbc news in the building society, I saw the same clips of news repeated more than 8 times in a matter of minutes, it is news churned out as it is cheap. If you watch the news you will probably get about 6 items of news in a 20 minute program. Where are the other news items? They are not being reported, there is not enough money being spent on reporting and the news is purchased cheaply from central source and repeated over and over again, with very little fact of information.

I enjoy radio 4 but even that news is limited

PetiteRaleuse · 16/07/2012 11:39

But ivy successive governments have frozen funding in real terms to the BBC - they can't be expected to maintain quality without support.

In France we pay a licence fee as part of our council tax. It's ?125 / year. I think the BBC licence is £145. It's not an enormous difference when you see the difference in quality.

On national French TV - the channels we pay a licence fee to not watch we have adverts most of the day (sarkozy stopped them from advertising during the peak evening hours) crappy game shows and crappy talk shows. There are some good shows of course, but it really is dire.

In comparison the BBC is brilliant. Even now it can't afford to be as good as it used to be. Advert free channels, advert free channels specifically for children, a variety of radio stations with, genuinely, something for everyone. And the sports coverage, when they can afford to buy the rights, is world class. And advert free.

I consider the Jubilee coverage to be an unfortunate blip Grin

FreudianSlipper · 16/07/2012 11:42

if you think we are obsessed with celeb culture go to the US or surprisingly Australia celebs are on the daily news

yes there are things here that are not that great that could be imprived but i am thankful that being a woman i have freedom that many women can only dream about, i am grateful that beign a single parent i am able to go back into education so ds and i can have a better life, i am thankful if ds or i are ill i know we shall get the best medical care and not have to worry about the costs, i am thankful ds will receive a very giid education and have the option to go to uni not matter what are financial circumstances are.

travel around go out of tourist areas, live in another country you will soon realise living here we are lucky we have so much to be thankful for

DancesWithWoolsEnPointe · 16/07/2012 11:44

I think the BBC is about the only channel in the world that doesn't interupt the programme you are watching for an ad break. And they aren't short either. In the US a show that is on for an hour is 39 minutes long (including title sequence and credits) - the other 21 minutes are left for adverts.

Nancy66 · 16/07/2012 11:47

when i was in Australia earlier this year the ad breaks were unreal.
About six minutes of broadcast followed by six minutes of ads

PetiteRaleuse · 16/07/2012 11:51

Dances I agree with you. There are some channels here in France but we have to pay extra for them - they only put ads on between programmes / films. They are also the only channels I watch pretty much.

FreudianSlipper · 16/07/2012 11:53

BBC is a fantastic service I think it is well worth the money

have you seen Italian, Spanish or French tv? especially Italian tv they seem to like shows that are a cross between benny hill and its a knock out

ThePigOnTheWall · 16/07/2012 11:56

The bbc news you watch in the building society is not representative of the bbc as a whole imo

ivykaty44 · 16/07/2012 12:06

The bbc news you watch in the building society is not representative of the bbc as a whole imo

so what is it representative of then?

grimbletart · 16/07/2012 12:10

You know what? A miserable moaner will be a miserable moaner whichever country s/he lives in.

Negative people are just so exhausting.

ivykaty44 · 16/07/2012 12:11

best medical care and not have to worry about the costs,

that's sadly not true - though i think we get a good standard of care in the Uk it is not the best for free - take a look at somewhere like Oman