To think the police are twats

[whosphuckoffy]

It's the second time now, they've done major damage to my car by arresting someone up against it. The first time i was sat in the vehicle and heavily pregnant. Not that they knew this of course. I know they have to arrest people and these things happen. The problem i have is the first time, if i hadn't of been sat in my car at the time, i wouldn't of known how the damage had occured. Also the damage caused to my car last night, our next door neighbour text us, otherwise we'd of thought it was vandals.

AIBU, to think that if police damage your property they should just leave a note to say contact the police station?

I've now got to faff around to sort this out today and i've got to cancel my plans because the car is undrivable, the wing mirror is fucked, i'm not happy.

Lovebunny

Seriously? Those are the rooms we use. It's for our safety, the detainees' safety and the safety of anyone making a complaint.

Falsely imprisoning your child? FFS. You ether have paranoia issues or an agenda.

Do you live in Life On Mars ?

or Starsky and Hutch

lisaro
But professionality USUALLY prevails.
Not in my experience, and the experience of others.

recall
I actually wanted to say, "that's not right" when I was cautioned.

those are the rooms you use?
well don't use them on me! particularly if i'm there to help you. and how is that to 'protect' me, if i'm on the inside and anyone can open the door from outside? think your way round it.
yes, if i'm held against my will and not left an opportunity to leave, i'm falsely imprisoned and my child was with me. vile people, the police. really vile.

wander around police stations? you really haven't got a grip of this have you. its a tiny police station with a beautiful counter and various small but nice areas where one might happily have a chat with a cso etc. their behaviour was entirely inappropriate.

i certainly did not 'project fear' onto my child. she was afraid, very much so, and i did there 'i'm calm, everything is alright' act that mummies sometimes use. i should be a calm and rational parent? get over yourself.

what is so entertaining here is that so many of you have such rose-tinted spectacles about this uniformed gang.

Just to make it clear. You can't sit at the 'lovely counter' to make a complaint because the complaint is formal and there are privacy issues.

Would you like it if someone made a complaint about you that anyone walking in could hear?

ohdearnigel what this thread has taught me is that there's more people that have been on the wrong side of the law AND have Internet access that are so thick they'd think anyone would believe their shite than I imagined. Ues, there are bad people working as police officers. But professionality USUALLY prevails. This thread has become full of the smell of BS. Oh, and comedic imaginary interactions with the police. FFS. As I said before, if you're going to bullshit at least make it believable.

My own interaction with the police was neither comedic nor imaginary. I do have internet access but I am not thick. Actually, your post makes you sound a bit thick lacking in imagination. Why on earth do you think that anyone reporting a bad experience with the police has invented it?

^^that was in response to lisaro's post

How much time have you spent in this police station Lovebunny?! How do you know about all the nice places to sit? How many times have you gone there to chat with CSOs?

To everyone else I say again police officers are just normal people. So you have had a couple of bad experiences in, for example, Burnley, does that mean you can condem all the police officers in Strathclyde, or Lincolnshire, or Surrey as incompetent, unprofessional, wife beating bullies? A couple of bad bus journeys doesn't normally lead people to say every bus driver in the country is a twat, what's the difference?

Can I just back up to lisaro who feels compelled to not just call me a liar but thick too- I can't comment for others, and sure, Lovebunny sounds slightly extreme.

However, at no point have I said that all Police are twats, gangs, thugs or anything else. I cast judgement on the Police Officers I came into contact with because I have the right to do so. If someone harasses you for no reason for 9 months, Police or not, you wouldn't be happy about it.

I know they have a job to do, but when senior officers later told me that the 26 times they came to my door, on one visit breaking my property and not paying for it, on another arresting me and then letting me go after hours with no shoes on with no charge, not even an interview, and then the last time making it clear they were arresting me purely due to my making a complaint, was actually against policy, do you blame me? They broke the law. They twice assaulted me for no reason. They scared the utter crap out of my daughter who was 2 at the time. There are protocols on how many times you can visit a property without making an arrest and they ignored those. Why, when they were acting on the neighbours BS did they never charge her with wasting Police time, until the IPCC got involved and they had to? Even then she was invited to the station, she wasn't manhandled by the officers like I was due to her lies.

I wasn't the only neighbour targeted by her. She clearly had mental health issues, which, had these Police from this branch behaved responsibly and within the law, she would have been dealt with and offered help. Is it fair I had to talk with Social workers on numerous occasions because the 26 times the Police came to our home? As did my neighbour who also suffered the same constant calls made about her and her partner? I was advised to sue by them in the end but didn't see the point.

In the end, so many people had had enough of her calling, the neighbour on the other side to her house held a knife to her throat, as he'd just had his 8th Police visit in 2 months down to her lies. That could have been avoided had someone dealt with her sooner. I don't condone his actions, but we all have our limits.

Is it also fair that two of the officers I complained about, during the course of the complaint, came to the door of my new home on Christmas morning looking for someone else? They told my partner "oh we knew you lived here now because of your missus' complaint". Which begs the question, why come to my door then looking for someone you know doesn't live there? Harassment, plain and simple, which they were demoted for.

I have said, no matter what walk of life, what job, you will always have a weak link who brings scorn to the whole company, job description or in this case, Force. I don't hold a grudge against any officers not involved, I had apologies from the senior staff at the force who were as disgusted as I was.

I think that's quite enough brown nosing lisaro. How dare you call us, that have had bad experience with police liars, and i have never been on 'the wrong side of the law'. If you ever have to deal with anti social neighbours etc, i really do hope the police are there for you when you need them and not eventually turn up 7 hours after you've called 999 six times because the family you are having problems with are standing outside your house and threatening to petrol bomb it (my mum and dad's terrible experience). I know they try their best and are understaffed etc etc, the same as the rest of us trying to earn a crust, i have to do my job with my company not replacing staff that are retiring or leaving. But the care i give to my patients is still the same as it was when we were fully staffed, i just have to work harder and do more unpaid hours. We are all feeling the brunt of recession and cutbacks. The police on this thread seem very defensive and trying to excuse the behavior of other officers by saying 'what they have to put up with on a daily basis'. You chose to do the job that you do and to continue doing it, by making excuses for this behavior, you are not gaining much more respect, the same as making excuses for not informing me about the damage to my car, despite how it occurred, how can i possibly gain more respect for you? it would of taken 1 officer less than 2 minutes just to have a look at the damage caused, after the suspect had been safely detained.

I've had good and bad experiences with the police.

The bad - my DH being arrested and charged with assault with a weapon because the victim was the son-in-law of a top cop. Just to clarify my husband had absolutely nothing to do with the assault but the two lead cops were determined to charge him. 2 & a half years it took (with him on bail) to prove his innocence. He nearly lost his job, we were stressed out it was awful. The PF was furious when it finally went to court, apologised, told Dh to go home.

However, our car was hit by drunk getaway drivers being chased by police. We were told it was lucky it was our car or they'd have smashed through our living room window lol. Police were fabulous.

I witnessed an assault when my ds was 5 months old and was terrified as it was close and hard to get away from. Again the police were brilliant.

I would call them in a hearbeat (if in need). Of course they are human, mistakes are made. Of course there are some bad eggs. The majority though on whole are brilliant. Especially those who wave & talk to ds if we see them as he thinks they are really cool.

The police on this thread seem very defensive

Probably brought on by your provocative thread title "AIBU to think the police are twats"

good grief, the police are human beings some of them are dreadful but some of them arnt.
yes horror experances do happen and i have no doubt that when a group is involved it can often be easyer for the herd mentality to come out the reason these experances are shocking is because they should be.
yes these things do happen if they didnt we wouldnt have a police complaints commission,we would never have police staff being sacked and we wouldnt have appropreate adults and people who turn up in custody units randomly to check them out. yes huge cock ups happen yes nastyness happens.

but its certainly not all of them its certainly not the majority and there are steps people can take to deal with issues.

i have to the best of my knowledge never commited a crime have had many dealing with the police due to my work and most i have come across have been great the ones who fuck up get complained about,i even once got arrested for a silly compleatly none issue (was not booked in by custody sargent as he felt there were no grounds to detain me i was apoligised to) all because the arresting officer was sleeping with the man i was married to at the time, but this is no reflection on ALL of them.

lovebunny why on earth was your child frightoned because she was sat with you in a office with a closed door for a short period of time if you wernt in some way progecting? or hadnt previously filled her head with weird ideas?

that would be extreamly abnormal behaviour indicative of a parent who is a bit of a drama queen or perhaps pulling the you scared my child card when its not really needed,unless ofcourse your child has previous experance of contact with police after a traumatic experance, but if thats the case then you clearly should have been more adept at using a compleatly innocent none threatening experance to perhaps balence this out.

and i need to get over myself? hummm perhaps you need to take a step back get with reality insert yourself into the real world and identify your own issues,learn the difference between a minor inconvieniance and a major crime and then have a good sit down and a cup of tea befor you get a attack of the vapors

I'm not brown nosing. And neither do I need to fabricate wild stories or look for perceived ill treatment that isn't there. Yes, there are good and bad, as there are everywhere, but the absolute bollocks that has been written on this thread by a minority is beyond laughable, it's actually quite pitiful that 'adults' think it could be remotely believable.

op are you a nurse or care assistant? how do you feel about the auxiliary nurse thread running at the moment? do you think sweeping generalizations are fair in your own profession?

Formerly - that thread has several nurses and HCAs on it who agree with the o.p and are telling her not only that she should complain, but how to get her complaint taken seriously.

A bit different from the reaction here...

Whos - of course you appreciate that it wasn't the fault of the police officers who actually attended your parents house that they were seven hours late? They are told which calls to attend by their control rooms. I won't dispute your experience but someone in a control room decided that the incident wasn't a priority. Almost every police control room is now civilianised, including the supervision, so it is likely that it wasn't even a police officer who made the decision about the urgency of your 999 calls.

Also it seems that there was seven hours of work for the police officers to get through before they got down the list to your incident. That isn't going to improve with police cutbacks.

yes, make a complaint, but making sweeping statements is ridiculous. but then its different when its your own isn't it.

Just for amusement sakes the control room that covers the area where my bil works often takes 999 calls then the caller refuses to speak English other than to demand a welsh speaker (they will do this in perfect English) and are perfectly happy to wait for a welsh speaker,one would think they should use the none emergency number instead.

And don't get me started on the case of the great snowman theft

so the police are human and make mistakes?

or the police are infallible and anyone saying they had a bad experience is lying? including the people on the documentary i posted who the police apologised to and compensated?

which one is it because I am a bit confused?

Its like anything, nailak. Some who have had bad experiences will despise and not feel trust in those who have, in their opinion, treated them wrong.
Then you'll have those who are in that group, or who have friends or loved ones who are so will defend the role which is being written about in a negative way.

I much prefer the attitude that, yes, I had a bad experience for just under a year with a tiny proportion of the total sum of, in this case, Police Officers. However, I am sensible enough (and not thick cough lisaro cough) to know that this small proportion doesn't mean that every Police Officer is the same. I also know that it wouldn't darken my view of the work they do, I made my complaint, it was dealt with and those at fault were punished. Job done. I have good experience of how helpful they can be as well. I found out several years down the line that someone had stolen my identity and had taken out a credit card in my name. The Police I spoke to then could not have been more helpful, even contacting the Bailiff who was making my life miserable to tell them to back off or else.

I don't think its out of order that the Police Officers and their family members who have commented have done so to prove that not all Police Officers are the same. They are proud of who they are, the badge and uniform they wear, no doubt.

Its unhelpful troll type comments from the likes of Lisaro that do not help.

Just lets admit that for every bad incident, for every bad member of the force, they are in the minority thankfully, and stop all this right and wrong posting of messages. The accusations thrown to some are disgraceful.

Yes, police officers are just normal people doing a difficult job. Just as the population as a whole has good, bad, professional, incompetent, thoughtful, selfish people so does the police. And just as those with good qualities always outnumber the bad in the general population the same can be said for the police.

What is being said is that the bad experiences are the exception. The thousands of incidents that the police will deal with well today will not be turned into a documentary. People who have had satisfactory interaction with the police tend not to tell their story with the same enthusiasm that people with bad experiences have.

Goth - good point.