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So David Cameron (we are in it together) really wants to fuck up our children then!

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belleMarie · 23/06/2012 23:14

How can anyone be taken in by this muppet? whilst him, Sam (and her £1000 pound frocks) and kiddies eat good, sleep good, shit good - we're basically screwed?

His hate for the poor/have-not is staggering and apart from a a couple of grunts here and there, this man is unstoppable.

Cameron to axe housing benefits for feckless under 25s as he declares war on welfare culture
Prime Minister gives exclusive interview to the MAIL ON SUNDAY
Reveals housing benefit will be scrapped for under 25s, who'll be forced to live with their parents
Dole money will be stopped for those who refuse to find work
Mr Cameron shares his views on Euro2012, Jimmy Carr, and what really happened when he left his daughter in the pub

Radical new welfare cuts targeting feckless couples who have children and expect to live on state handouts will be proposed by David Cameron tomorrow.
His bold reforms could also lead to 380,000 people under 25 being stripped of housing benefits and forced to join the growing number of young adults who still live with their parents.
In a keynote speech likely to inflame tensions with his deputy Nick Clegg, the Prime Minister will call for a debate on the welfare state, focusing on reforms to ?working-age benefits?.

Among the ideas being considered by Mr Cameron are:
Scrapping most of the £1.8 billion in housing benefits paid to 380,000 under-25s, worth an average £90 a week, forcing them to support themselves or live with their parents.
Stopping the £70-a-week dole money for the unemployed who refuse to try hard to find work or produce a CV.
Forcing a hardcore of workshy claimants to do community work after two years on the dole ? or lose all their benefits.
Well-placed sources say Ministers are also taking a fresh look at plans to limit child benefit to a couple?s first three children, although Mr Cameron is not expected to address this issue directly tomorrow.
Speaking exclusively to The Mail on Sunday, Mr Cameron said: ?We are sending out strange signals on working, housing and fa8milies.?

He argued that some young people lived with their parents, worked hard, planned ahead and got nothing from the State, while others left home, made little effort to seek work and got a home paid for by the benefits system.

?A couple will say, ?We are engaged, we are both living with our parents, we are trying to save before we get married and have children and be good parents. But how does it make us feel, Mr Cameron, when we see someone who goes ahead, has the child, gets the council home, gets the help that isn?t available to us???
?One is trapped in a welfare system that discourages them from working, the other is doing the right thing and getting no help.?
Asked if he would take action against large families who were paid large sums in benefits, he replied:
?This is a difficult area but it is right to pose questions about it. At the moment the system encourages people not to work and have children, but we should help people to work AND have children.?
His plan to axe housing benefit for the under-25s will have exemptions for special cases, such as domestic violence, but he said: ?We are spending nearly £2 billion on housing benefit for under-25s ? a fortune. We need a bigger debate about welfare and what we expect of people. The system currently sends the signal you are better off not working, or working less.?
He also favours new curbs on the Jobseeker?s Allowance, demanding the unemployed do more to find work. He said: ?We aren?t even asking them, ?Have you got a CV ready to go?? ? A small minority of hardcore workshy, an estimated 5,000 to 10,000, could be forced to take part in community work if they fail or refuse to find work or training after two years.
The Prime Minister wants to show he is committed to radical policies, but his speech could exacerbate strains with Coalition partner Mr Clegg, whose Lib Dems oppose drastic welfare cuts.
It follows the row over plans to revive O-levels and will fuel rumours the Coalition could end long before the 2015 Election. ?As leader of a political party as well as running a Coalition it?s right sometimes to make a more broad-ranging speech,? said Mr Cameron.
A Government official said: ?Decent folk are fed up with the increasing abuse of the welfare system. Responsible people who work damned hard, often on low incomes, to support themselves, are sick and tired of seeing others do nothing and live off the state.
?Labour threw ever greater sums of money at the problem and made it worse. If we want to encourage responsibility we have be bold enough to tackle these issues. We suspect some of those who refuse point-blank to seek work are working on the black market and claiming fraudulently.?
But a Labour source said: ?It is easy for rich Tories with big houses to have grown-up children at home while they find their feet. It?s different if you live in a tiny council flat and your daughter is a single mum.? Ministers said curbs on housing benefit for the under-25s, had helped slash the welfare bill in Germany and Holland

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LST · 25/06/2012 21:13

Oh right then YoYo what the hell is the point in me going to work then Hmm

YoYoYoItsTillyMinto · 25/06/2012 21:17

if anyone fell on hard times me, you, whoever, i would expect them to dip into their savings & get a new job asap.

LST · 25/06/2012 21:18

I have no savings. Not a penny. What should I do then?

We both work for minimum wage at shite jobs.

LST · 25/06/2012 21:20

You need to get yourself into the real world.

Empusa · 25/06/2012 21:21

Your definition of "hard times" is interesting! So "hard times" includes savings does it?

scotsgirl23 · 25/06/2012 21:26

YoYoYo, have recession, wage freezes, rising costs and redundancies passed you by?! Sadly, plenty of people cannot afford to save - life is too damn expensive. Plenty of people can't just walk in to another job either.

LST · 25/06/2012 21:26

Obviously they have no idea what 'hard times' consist of..

Vev · 25/06/2012 21:29

Who can live happily on benefits, by 'eck it's not that much? And why begrudge anyone help who need it? Why all of a sudden has everyone become such benefit haters.

When I was growing up, there were no benefits as there are today, but there were jobs - today there are no jobs, especially for the young.

Unemployment could happen to any one of us at any time.

Our taxes and NI were meant to help the ones in need.

There will always be workers and shirkers. But the workers need jobs.

All there is for the young are part-time crappy paid jobs. What future have they got at all. I despair for this country at the moment.

Dave is worse than Maggie.

YoYoYoItsTillyMinto · 25/06/2012 21:36

LST - in the real world, you work & save because relying on anyone else works out badly for a lot of people.

i did hard times years ago.

LST · 25/06/2012 21:38

Are you fucking deaf? I work. I can't save as I have no 'spare' money.

I hope you need the benefits system one day and it isn't there for you.

justsofedup · 25/06/2012 21:39

Yoyoyo

Thats fabulous and Im sure they would be much, much happier with the security of their fat savings and the ability to walk in a new job just like that.

Except not everyone has savings nor can walk into the next job.

Futhermore are you seriously telling me someone under 25 who has graduated not long ago with thousands of pounds of debt will have savings?

YoYoYoItsTillyMinto · 25/06/2012 21:39

you work for years, get a better job, then you can save.

YoYoYoItsTillyMinto · 25/06/2012 21:41

no just, so you either get a job and/or most people can live with their parents & pay off debts, like DB, and DPs cousins.

LST · 25/06/2012 21:41

I'm sure it was that easy for you. Your fucking deluded.

edam · 25/06/2012 21:42

yoyo, lots of people have used up whatever savings they had. We have, because dh's contract ended in December and he's not found anything else yet. I know how tough it is in our industry - I had 200 completed, decent applications with three supporting documents for ONE job I advertised in my team. I'm lucky to have a job, but it comes with high commuting costs and it's not enough to cover all the bills, especially unpredictable stuff like the car suddenly needing £300 of work, or a leak under the sink. I can't save at the moment because we have no spare cash.

justsofedup · 25/06/2012 21:42

But a 25 year old wont be in that position. Infact many people in their early 30s still wont have much savings due to university debt, sky high rent and still only getting salaries under 30k.

YoYoYoItsTillyMinto · 25/06/2012 21:43

no of course it wasnt easy but there was no help so i just got on with it. i am in my thirties & started on £3.25 ph.

edam · 25/06/2012 21:44

yoyo, it has been pointed out to you before that not everyone lives in the Waltons. You know full well there are kids leaving care, people whose parents are poor, don't have spare bedrooms, families where sadly the parents are abusive.... fgs, you do KNOW this stuff exists, right?

LST · 25/06/2012 21:46

We managed to save £2000 with help from family for a deposit. That's it.

The HA then gave us a run down unliveable house. We spent all that money on making the house we are in now habitable, clean and decorated. We now don't have a penny to our name except for DS's savings account.

All I want to know is yoyo would you begrudge if, god forbid I had a flare up of my RA, and I couldn't work for a while, money to help keep my family fed and housed?

justsofedup · 25/06/2012 21:46

People whos parents are dead

LST · 25/06/2012 21:47

(DS's savings account has £250 if anybody was wondering)

scotsgirl23 · 25/06/2012 21:48

Unfortunately, there is a very definite group of people who seem to believe that because they have managed to "make it" or "get on with it" then everybody else should be able to.

The fact that not everyone can earn a high wage, because there aren't enough high earnings jobs, or that not everyone has family to rely on, are details to be ignored.

happyinherts · 25/06/2012 21:53

scotsgirl123 - it's called 'I'm alright Jack' attitude, because I did it everyone else can.

What some people tend to completely gloss over is the fact that we all could be one pay packet away from redundancy, homeless, disability and judging, condeming, critcising the less fortunate isn't a very nice trait.

True, this country does need to sort the shirkers, but not everyone should be judged by the same yardstick. There is a shortage of jobs, EMA cuts, tax credit cuts have taken their toll and life for the poorer in society seems to get tougher and tougher. We should stand together against Cameron on this rather than let him think he's actually correct.

LST · 25/06/2012 21:54

Like I said before scots they need to get in the real world.

LST · 25/06/2012 21:56

By the way yoyo I totally agree that scroungers should be clamped down on. But by doing that you hurt hard working people and people who really need help.