to think that Men should have to show their marital status at all times

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Just going through the Birthday Honours list.
www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_202133.pdf
Every single woman is marked out as "Miss", "Ms" or "Mrs"
and yet none of the men are.
Sex discrimination of the most base order IMHO.
Why do women's achievements seem to depend on their marital status and yet men's do not?

many moons ago, when i was a young woman, i thought men should have an 'M' tattood on their foreheads when they got married, and have it crossed out and a 'D' put next to it when divorced. a thrice married man like my ex husband would have a very busy forehead, and probably a long fringe...except i heard he was losing his hair...

So Sweden does not have a King or Queen and Princess Madeleine has as much chance of being Queen as everyone else or is that job reserved already for Crown Princess Victoria in the egalitarian Sweden.

I've been Ms since I was 22 started work and was asked what I wanted to be called. I get your point op and I hope it's just a mistake that Mr has been left off by somebody, but I would complain. It's a not a non issue. My name is who I am.

In Botswana I (as a father) would be known as rra Kate. (Kate being the name of my eldest)

I used to frequent a bar whose owner was a well built bloke, but the only name I ever knew him by was rra Pinkie

They don't use titles in Denmark either, just First Name Last Name. At school, the children call teachers by their First Name (which some expats find odd when they first arrive here).

I much prefer it, and feel a bit weird now, when I go back to the UK if people refer to me with a title.

Joyful
the women are entitled to use whatever they like
BUT
I suspect that many of the professional women who are being recognised for what THEY have done might find the fact that their marital status is shown in the list when that of the men is not more than a tad neandethal.

Glass ceiling / perceptions all that .....

is it the way a person is announce, Mr is default where women have a few titles.

There are titles for the men. If they are professors, Drs, Lords etc. It is only where, presumably, they are Mr that there isn't a title. I cannot believe this is because all the women supplied their titles and the men didn't. So we have a situation where normal, default is Mr, exception is anything female, or other titles. Of course it matters. It means men are normal, standard, default human. Women are other.

If its etiquette because its an honour list, surely its incorrect if the men are not given titles? Because they might have an actual title ie hereditary or whatever, or work eg doctor, as might the women.

Do all of your husbands expect to have "married" "single" "divorced" displayed on their business cards, letterheads, professional lists?

So why should women have to put up with it?

Etiquette changes.
And its about time this was the last ever honours list to discriminate by sex how people are listed.

Almost most offensive is that the layout is different for Miss / Ms versus Mrs
so its not even just a male / female thing - it is actively dependent on marital status.

All earned / inherited / elected titles are in there for both sexes.
Time to equalise everybody else.

I don't know how true it is but don't Miss, Mrs and Ms come from
Mistress?

I think we should go back to that, and I quite fancy being a Master.

I think they should use standard format for everyone on that list. Title (if the person wants one), first name, last name.

It just looks ridiculously old-fashioned, but then, the whole concept is rather old-fashioned... Did you really expect anything better?!

The concept of the honours list is indeed slightly old fashioned - but they mean a lot to most people who receive them.

My concern is that in this day and age it was EVER considered appropriate to treat the men and women on the list differently in address -
on the directgov website which is meant to be all about doing things in a modern way.

So long as such attitudes persist within government, all the equality legislation in the world is worth diddly squat.

As a woman, we have a choice.. we can use Miss, Ms, or Mrs... men get no choice.

Cant see that it really matters anyway. I can think of a lot more important things to get concerned about.

What exactly would you suggest then in place of something that denotes whether a person is male or female? because no matter how much YOU want to get the world to be neutral gender, the majority of us are very happy with how things are.

YANBU - Actually men should be forced (by law) to wear badges stating one or more of the following: 'single, separated, married, gay, bi, straight, has girlfriend / fiancee'...
That would just be very helpful i think. (For single women / gay single men that is....)

Even if you do use Ms because you think it's no-one's business but your own whether you are married or not, you still get judged on it. I have friends in their thirties who still believe that Ms is for widows or divorcees and think that if you use that title when single or married then you're somehow embittered and man hating.

Agree - should be something that goes with age (for men and women). Sighed regretfully when referred to as Señora in Spain for first time after years of Señorita

I hate all the titles and would prefer a male/female alternative. 'Ms' is the least worst option for me. 'Dr' would be better.....................

I don't give a flying fuck what anyone else thinks of my use of 'Ms' frankly (not embittered, wiser to cocklodging wankferrets maybe, but not embittered ).

Ideally, there would be a male/female alternative for us to use.

There isn't, so I make use of what is preferrable to me.

I think the difference is that nobody is judged on what they are called if it is based on age - it's the same for everyone, regardless of personal circumstance or choice. I know that when I was first called madam(e?) on a plane I felt very grown up and adult.

I never choose to use a title. Ever. If, on the internet or a form, when it won't let me go any further without choosing one, I use something ridiculous, like Lord or Rt Hon, because it's ridiculous to 'make' me use one. I am always just first name, last name, and at work, with my qualifications afterwards. I think the Germans did a good thing by using Frau for every female, and if we went to Ms for every female here, that would be a good thing. We are very happily unmarried, and I'd never even consider taking DPs surname, should we ever take that step, so I don't see why my nomenclature should have to reflect that.
Rant over - more wine! :)