to think that Men should have to show their marital status at all times

[TalkinPeace2]

Just going through the Birthday Honours list.
www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_202133.pdf
Every single woman is marked out as "Miss", "Ms" or "Mrs"
and yet none of the men are.
Sex discrimination of the most base order IMHO.
Why do women's achievements seem to depend on their marital status and yet men's do not?

I think they should be branded on the forehead.

YANBU. I think France is getting rid of titles which show marital status. Time the UK did too. Its outdated and sexist. Either that, or men should become "Masters" again until they are married. See how they like it.

Mind you, I didn't even change my surname on marriage and never refer to myself as a "Mrs"!

But why have a title for her at all?
Her male counterparts do not have one?
and why the different formats for the Ms/Miss and Mrs ??
its just surreal

why nor Mr & Mstr for all of the men?

Ms. doesn't tell you their marital status. Those women have chosen privacy, other women haven't. Their choice, no? Or are you advocating that men are being deprived of the same choice?
Don't think it should be compulsory revelation for anyone.

I think all women should have the same title. Let's stop all this Miss business. I think in other countries like Italy all maturer women have the same title and only young ones have different.

But all men get privacy by default.

As it's an honours list I would expect it to be old fashioned.

Clearly I'm a bit thick because that list is Knights Batchelor, therefore I would assume batchelor = male.

Well if the govt goes ahead with full marriage status for same-sex couples it will make a nonsense of such titles anyway.

I think in other countries like Italy all maturer women have the same title and only young ones have different.

So you'd rather age discrimination rather than marital status?

On the one hand, I think men should disclose their marital status,as I'm single and currently looking ;) (JOKE)
On the other hand I refuse disclose mine, and if I can't submit a form without a title, I usually put Sir! haha! well, it amuses me.

The thing is that if all women felt that they didn't want to show they were married or not they would use Ms.
It's quite possible to stop this Mrs Miss business if everyone just used Ms.

I'm not sure royal weddings have much to do with modern convention. When Sophie married Edward she promised to obey him and that hasn't been in the conventional wedding vows for years.

On a completely different note this article about people who turn down honours is interesting. I knew David Bowie and Benjamin Zephaniah had famously turned them down.

ivananap

My husband has never worn a ring - his choice. He couldn't anyway,now, - he lost that finger in an accident at work!!

Miss and Mrs help people know if the name they have is a maiden name or not though. It's helpful in my work.

Let's all be Ms whether married or not and have enough self worth to not change our names if we choose to marry. Simple all round :)

whitewidow
how do you differentiate between the married and unmarried men?

WhiteWidow, I call myself Mrs MaidenName. Not sure if that helps?

Yanbu at all. It really annoys me. I am sure if there were a "married" title for men, SOME men would want it added to show the world they were married (why??) just like some women like to be called Mrs to show the world they are married (again why??)

To me, marriage is a private and personal matter...your marital status does not improve or denigrate your place in society...though it DID once upon a time...therefore, propose that from now on, married men are called MR and unmarried men are known as Mstr which is JUST as awkward to say as MS.

Talkinpeace, I don't have to :)

Yeah of course in all cases it isn't going to work handmade, it just helps when it does

Adverse the more I learn about Sweden the more I like the sound of it!