To think that people have the principles they can afford?

[Hullygully]

Do you have, or know anyone that does, principles that would absolutely not be ditched in the event of greater wealth?

Yes. I have to put my hand up too. ( to the little bit of me dying when I see a friend succeed - Gore Vidal, according to wikipedia, great quote, thanks aboutlastnight)

I'm genuinely heading into old age in poverty -- but I do only hold myself responsible for my choices, I did the same sort of thing as you, made excuses.

But dammit, I do have to work very hard on my better nature to stop it rankling.

On the actual subject - I think hackmum made some very good points.

@fliffy

LeQ- well, that's another thing I'b learned today

i thought the 'champagne socialist' definition very drole also.

i am a Champagne liberal.

everyone should be free to have champagne if they want it.

as an economic centrist, i still think they have to be able to afford it themselves, rather than rely 100% on the state, though state assistance is still appropriate to help those who can't even afford lambrini.

and on cava vs prosecco - depends on which one. you can't generalise so much.

that's about the only thing on y list, leQ

I have cava right now (no champs on special offer).

I was recently in a hotel with a pillow menu AND a telly set into the wall of the bathroom with a waterproof remote. I took photos and sent them to ds to make him well jel.

What shall I do then, apart from mash a sandwich in her gob?

Shall I just say, look, you just don't like me, do you?

A pillow menu? No way. No.
Please tells what a country supper is. I can't read the thread agin. I just can't.

Is it where you eat a country, but a small one because it's supper? So Belgium say?

yy a pillow menu, and a three tiered stand of lovely snippety tidbits that all looked like flowers. heh heh.

'Shall I just say, look, you just don't like me, do you?'

I'd go for that one

I always take y own pillow, thank you

[Holiday Nanna]

I'm bloody well jel! Do you want to know how many times I've stayed in a hotel?

None. 0. Never ever.

Although thinking about it: once when I was 5, in Spain.
A wedding, although not sure it was an actual hotel.

So, yes, sorry twice. DP stays in them all the time, all over the world. He sends me pictures and brings me the goodies.

It's a tragic life I lead.

I'm not that^^ I'm dwarfish and odd although I am terribly clever and funny of course. And not rich, the hotel stuff was work, I could never ever pay for that stuff

we like nobotels in the Low Countries

they let you steal the Babybels for lunch

yy Novotels, we stay in those when they have their sale cos they let you have the dog. Don't buy their horrid overpriced dinners tho, we go to MaccyDs over the road. Cos there aren't any Wimpys

I always have tragedies in hotels which makes it quite stressful. I break things and knock them over and have to hide all the damage.

ne'er do the dinners, oh no

leae a big hole for the breakfast, then feast like KINGS

...on cheese products and hot eggs

When we go to em in France we take doggy into the restaurant and they go, oh she's so lovely and bring her big plates of chemical ham...imagine that in animal loving England.

I know!

dogs e'erywhere in France, Belgiu and NL

it's quite staggering

I agree with LeQueen, tall poppies.

I took DC to stay in a holiday cottage in Kent 2 summers ago. It was the owners first foray into holiday lets. They'd done up their barn with;
White sofas
Travertine tiles.
White bed linen.
Glass coffee table.
A pristine visitor's book.
A stray stage make up pencil in black.
DC were 2 and 3.
Can you guess what happened?

No?

God I don't like the sound of all these bitter friends I can honestly say in our group of friends everyone is genuinely happy when others do well and this sort of back stabby jealousy just doesn't exist. We have all done well in our own ways and all bring something to the friendship table and it is many things but not money based at all