to wonder why the whole country has gone completely bloody Royalist?

[Hullygully]

Erect the scaffold.

Up the Republicans.

We are ADULTS we don't need a feudalistic Divine Right of Kings addled parasitical bunch of halfwits to live off our taxes.

I understood too TuftyF

Tis all very difficult though.

I am weary of all this.

Mme, you may be unmoved by all this fawning over the Royals, but sure as hell, the children are getting fed the message that these people are important, titles matter and hereditary privileges are to be celebrated and looked up to.

They have been hearing the message a lot, through TV, schools and the community. And marketing works, especially on young minds.

I know what you mean, Tufty.

Gully
I simply believe that there are many many issues in UK at present that have a much more immediate impact on our lives, and the lives of our children, than the royal family.

But we arent allowed to be weary.

Or they get to win while we snooze

Gully?

Has it come to this?

Flatbread
Yes, I see what you mean, but it is temporary.

And - just an example - the way in which young girls are "taught" that being pretty is important, by the media, by our society has a longer lasting and more damaging affect on them than a few weeks of Queen worshipping.

Gully - only one step to Gusset.

I am no longer misunderstood.
Gully, I think in answer to your original post. Because they see it. They hear it. They do it. They don't really care. I can't believe all of these people really, really are celebrating the queen. In their thoughts. Are they all going to bed thinking ' oh, I love the queen. I can't wait 'til Monday'.
maybe they are.
German you say?

No Gully as in ...
Ok, I admit I think i meant Gilly. With a hard G but that's not like Hully so maybe I should stop with that. I will.

That is ridiculous, dear MMe

Our entire system is predicated upon unearned privilege: school, oh private? how lovely, go to this uni, have this job etc Oh, that school, well, just double science and a job or not in Maccy d's for you...

Are you really saying it's not al part of the same continuum?

And you of all people should be ashamed for saying it's but a temporary thing.

"Princess" (with an eating disorder) anyone?

Course it is, but what can we do to change it?

Do we get rid of the Queen or support OUR kids individually so that they buck the trend?

It is possible to move out of the path that life (or class) has set us. I have. (although I am back living in an ex-council house so you might say that I haven't) .

I dunno. I don't think that the Queen/Jubilee is the key to change.

We need better schools, more teacher, great education. Our schools should be temples of learning

Why me of all people?

And what does the princess with an eating disorder have to do with it?

You have lost me, Hully.

What can we do to change it?

Abolish it.

and I take GREAT exception to your comment, that I of all people should be ashamed of my opinion.

Agree with it, or don't agree with it but don't tell me I should be ashamed of it.

You, because you are concerned with girls' body images, self worth and gender identities etc etc etc (as am I). To such an extent that you started an online mag (and all praise for that). But the current system reinforces women as inferior, girls aspiring to be Princesses etc etc Com eon, you know this, it's 101 stuff

Yes, abolish it.

Such an easy answer to a difficult problem.

Change has to be gradual, it has to be small steps. You cannot change UK from a monarchy to a republic overnight, the British public would never go with it. Why cry for the moon?

I would rather campaign for something that is easier to change. I would rather inspire and educate girls to be more and to want more than to be a WAG or a princess. Cause when you do that, they discover they can BE more and they don't want to be a pretty piece of fluff.

Saying that we are encouraging our girls to aspire to be pretty princesses is pretty insulting to our girls, if you ask me. My 10 yo would laugh in your face, she is long past the I-want-to-be-a-princess phase. She wants to study bats.

I will always cry for the moon rather than hang up bunting

Always.

dear lord

I have been sent some Jubilee e-cards. I'm Irish, living in Ireland! I get that there is an air of excitement there, but really, people thought this was appropriate?

Have not read all the thread, sorry if it has already been explained why all other nations should share in the celebrations.

Bunting on the moon would look pretty.

No?

lol.

Just noticed that we are Ma'ams net and have bunting.

I am a babysteps kind of person, and an eternal optimist. I believe don't believe we need a revolution, or not a big one. A gentle revolution. A gradual one.

We start with self-esteem issues, we move on to inspiring girls to be more than they have ever imagined they could be.

I never wanted to be a princess. I wanted to be a writer, but no one told me that I could be a writer. Until a MN. I was told to be a secretary, a occupational therapist, a saleswoman.

I wanted to write.

Start by telling out kids that they can be anything they want to be and move from there.

I believe don't believe ...

Ok, I have been and washed my face and cleaned my teeth.

Mme, you have my respect, you act, you don't just bay at the moon like me. I am just a bit odd.

good night sweet ladies.

x posted. I should have put the wine away HOURS nay YEARS ago.

I sort of agree re babysteps, but think we can still hold in view the ultimate aim of.................THE SCAFFOLD

I will always cry for the moon rather than hang up bunting

Do you think this is more catchy than I am a Racist Republican Cunt etc?