to think that a giant Range Rover with 'Overfinch' emblazoned on the back is the definition of 'twatmobile'

[Poulay]

Was cycling down the road earlier, saw one of these things go by

I know lots of people say they need Range Rovers to cope with the pot holes, or the snow, or the pedestrians, or whatever things.

But let's be honest, they are big hulking lumps of metal that would tip over if you drove them too fast.

And on that basis paying £90k for a souped up one

www.overfinch.com/buying-an-overfinch/view-current-stock/

and then a further £5k or so for a personalised number plate just makes you look stupid.

Doesn't it?

(Just want to add I have nothing against fast cars, if you're going to get an Aston Martin or whatever, fine.....

But souping up a vehicle supposedly designed to drive up unmade roads. I mean why????)

My car has a little step to get in it's so tall. oops

Poulay, out of interest, would it make much difference if a pedestrian was hit by an "agricultural looking land Rover" or a Hummer or would it just be more middle class left wing agst acceptable? A rigid chassis is a rigid chassis, I wouldn't have one if I lived in the UK unless I needed one, (how would you be able to afford to run it anyway) but, I think it is ridiculous to say it may just be acceptable to drive up Ben Nevis as long as the rigid chassis that would kill a pedestrian as much as a Hummer is old looking and crap looking.

Reminds me of years ago when we worked at an aspirational (crap) prep school and I had to call a mother to ask her to come and get her Year 8 daughter who had been caught in bed with a boy from another school on a trip. Silence for a moment followed by the words "which school?"

It has to be said I had to grip the steering wheel firmly to stop me ramming into the side of pink eyelash car.

theodorakis I am in London so there is absolutely no need for any of these vehicles round here. I couldn't care less what you drive up Ben Nevis or over a sand dune but I do care what people drive on ordinary London streets crowded with pedestrians. It's rarely a choice between Range Rovers and tractors round here though. It's just unnecessary Range Rovers.

'm not banning anything (sadly I am not yet in charge). Just reserving the right to think people driving these monstrosities in London are plonkers. The fact is that, compared to the equivalent normal car of normal size and scale for normal families, they are unhelpful for other road users and sometimes actively dangerous.

FashionEaster- Covered it for me. No need for these huge gas guzzling monstrosities ! But sometimes the attitudes are even worse

'middle class left wing agst'

Lol wot?

No left-wing angst here.

The fact is that, compared to the equivalent normal car of normal size and scale for normal families, they are unhelpful for other road users and sometimes actively dangerous

These 4x4s are the size of trucks, they should be treated as such.

I was being a bit judgey myself and sorry if I was rude. That said, there is nothing wrong with 4wd and trucks when you need them and I just don't want them to be demonised for the sake of it. I drive a 4wd pick up at work, a lot of my work involves driving through desert to onshore operations and I could never do it in a prius. I have been in a very serios accident with an adult camel and if I had not been in a Hummer I would have been killed. I I drove the truck, Hummer or our Landcruiser round london I would, of course only be doing it to show off and would be a twat. If I used it to drive between my farm buildings in the country it would be different

theodorakis 'Which school?' is priceless!

tree My friend who lives in London during the week has a landrover because when she isn't working or the DC are on holiday (they go to school in London) she is back on the famiy farm half way up a mountain in wales. She needs something that covers both. I have to say that the thing is covered in mud and hay so it is quite obvious that it is invovled in agricultural use. Her husband drives more miles in the week so takes the outback they have which is far more economical.

If people wish to drive a huge car that is offensive on the eyes then look the other way. As others have said, range rover is providing above minimum wage employment in the North West. I would also like to add that these people ought to be appluded for their additional contributions to society with all the taxes they pay to put and keep these cars on the road.

I thought Overfinch was a cheapo rip off or something. Stoopid name.

I would rather they spent their money elsewhere.

You can spend £10k on a bicycle. Much less antisocial.

And my hatred of old cars comes from a childhood spent sitting on hard shoulders whilst various hippymobiles sat immobile and steaming in the road

Poulay I think you are being unreasonable in dictacting to others how they should spend their money. If they earned it, paid taxes on it and are not breaking the law then I don't see why it is of anyone elses concern about what car they drive.

I wouldn't buy a huge car but that is my choice. I quite like that I have the choice available to me.

I unapologetically do care what other people drive, and I have a right to because I am a road user too, and I walk along pavements with my small children. I don't want them to get killed uneccesarily by your horrible, unsafe vehicles. If you choose to drive a RR, then you are effectively saying that your children are more important than mine, and others'.

Sorry but many cyclists are extremely antisocial and cause injury to drivers and pedestrians.

Narmada I assume you are referring to poor driving rather than the car itself. I think you will find that there are laws about that already. The issue is that the UK has decided to only police the speed of motorists using cameras instead of observing road users.

I currently live in NJ and I see some pretty dire road use here but I think it is worse in the UK (aggressive driving even at low speeds, cyclists not following the rules of the road and jay walking) as everyone in the UK seems to be very frustrated that it takes so long to get to where they are going.

FFS none of us are critical of you if you are driving a RR in the desert and avoiding camels. We aren't total idiots.

The attitude that you would rather have your family safe than protect 'random' other people's children society is disgusting. I would rather my child didn't die horribly as well as your child.

Oh, and people saying that it is bad driving people object to... if I park my tiny car badly (and I don't) it will still be in the space because it is tiny. Not so larger vehicles. I parked next to a fucking, yellow Hummer the other day. I parked exactly in the space, perfectly in the middle. He was right over to my side, assuming he could have two spaces. I could just get out of my door but only barely. I assume that he was a large person and the fact that he had parked badly had made it difficult to get back into his vehicle. I also assume that it was him who keyed my car all the way down the side that was facing him. A lovely thing to see when my, my child and my elderly parents got back. My space was the only one left in the carpark so it wasn't even as though I could avoid him.

Some 4x4s are badly designed and more likely to roll/ be in a collision... But the passengers come out better than the other car's.

The shape of the bonnet affects pedestrian survival rates. It should be shaped to scoop the passenger up not vertical to knock them forwards.

want2besupermum nope I am not referring to bad driving. I am referring to the design of the RR and the results it produces in safety tests designed to simulate what happens if it crashes into a pedestrian. It's not good news for the pedestrian, let's just say.

There really are some peculiar ideas about others' motivation on here. Believe it or not my DH, for example, didn't consider the merits of safeguarding passengers vs harming pedestrians when he bought his Range Rover. It just wasn't one of the things he balanced up, no more than I thought "I should buy a Micra and not a sports car for the sake of other people because Micras are slower".

Sorry but MrsTP, fun as it has been chatting with you I think I'm going to offend here by saying that you're taking this waaaaay too personally.

How do you feel about me suggesting that you get rid of your car because of the risk it poses to my neice? Her parents don't own a car yet you're happy to take the risk of killing her in yours just because you want to have a vehicle to take your own children to the cinema and on holiday.

Poulay, do you own a car? And why do you cycle - necessity or choice?

For my friends the motivation in buying one was the 3 weeks they were effectively snowed in with the ILs. Don't think they ever wanted to go through that again! Their neighbour happened to be selling one and I think they practically bit his hand off!!!

I'm sad, I thought I was bonding with you, GrahamTribe I was actually referring to the comment on the last page, I would rather live and save the lives of my family than stand at their graveside feeling I had done my best for random society by squeezing into an unsafe little heap which did piss me off.

Actually, I didn't have a car for years because I lived in London and didn't need one. All of my journeys were quicker and easier by foot or public transport because London is one big carpark. However the reason I got a car and drive now is because I worked for a homeless charity, and do again now, and needed a vehicle for my work. I had to have one as a requisite so I got one. When I did jobs that didn't need one, I didn't have one.

That doesn't mean I won't buy a Bugatti if I win the lottery and play race days.

Narmada Neither is it good news for a pedestrian to be hit by a bus, train, van or lorry. All of these are bigger vehicles and I would presume are far worse for pedestrians than a RR - rolls royce or range rover.