AIBU to think the Duggars are not actually raising their millions of children

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just watching it because there is nothing else on and the parents are always swaning off and leaving the younger kids with the older girl ones

why have so many kids if you aren't going to look after them -older girls being used as childcare and the younger ones not spending time with parents

the mother actually seemed quite flustered when she had to deal with a little one and then said the 'testing' behaviour was ok because the child was in training -WTAF????

Google Michelle blanket training she does not hit her children

Of course they can - I'm evidence of that - but you do not understand the personal and emotional toll from that type of upbringing.

COME WHEN I CALL YOU
One father tells of his training sessions with each new toddler. He sets aside an evening for "booty" camp, which is a boot camp for toddlers. The child of ten to twelve months is left alone to become deeply interested in a toy or some delightful object. From across the room or just inside the other room, the father calls the child. If he ignores the call, the father goes to him and explains the necessity of immediately coming when called, and then leads him to the father's chair. The child thus led through these paces is being programmed.

He is returned to the toy and left alone long enough to again become engrossed. Another call, and, if no response, the father gives a patient explanation and demonstration of the desired response. The parent, having assured himself of the child's understanding, once again sets up the situation and calls the child. This time, if there is not an immediate response the child is lightly spanked THIS CHILD IS LESS THAN A YEAR OLD and lectured. The father continues this throughout the evening until the child readily and immediately responds to a summons. Thereafter, until the child leaves home, he is expected to drop everything and come upon the first call. As long as the parents remain consistent, the child will consistently obey. This "obedience training" is carried out in the utmost patience and concentration. The spanking should not be viewed as punishment, but as reinforcement to commands.

McHappy, there is a well known thread on a website where Michelle admitted to "switching" her children, but it was pulled just after the TV series started and never seen again. Luckily, it was saved by some enterprising someone and can be found!

She does, she just doesnt admit it.

Maybe I can't and I am totally wrong

This is sick. This baby girl was FOUR MONTHS OLD and they were hitting her!

STEPS TO OBEDIENCE
One of our girls who developed mobility early had a fascination with crawling up the stairs. At four months she was too unknowing to be punished for disobedience. But for her own good, we attempted to train her not to climb the stairs by coordinating the voice command of "No" with little spats on the bare legs. The switch was a twelve-inch long, one-eighth-inch diameter sprig from a willow tree.

You aren't wring - you just aren't getting the impact this type of programming and conditioning has on you. You are taught not to question. If you are taught it well enough and are receptive enough, you won't.

McHappy, they cant if they a) dont know that there is anything else available to rebel into or b) they are so genuinely terrified of the alternatives because they have been brainwashed.

It really isnt as simple as you seem to believe. These girls are cut off from the whole world outside their church, they dont see anything but what they are taught!

Ffs bogey they hit her with a stick? Vb

Its in the link Rhonda :(

It would be unbelievable, if it werent for the fact that you could buy this book via the internet right now :(

This made me cry. Dont forget that they are still talking about young (infant school aged) children.

When the time comes to apply the rod, take a deep breath, relax, and pray, "Lord, make this a valuable learning session. Cleanse my child of ill-temper and rebellion. May I properly represent your cause in this matter." No jerking around. No raised voice. The child should be able to anticipate the coming rod by your utterly calm and controlled spirit.

At this point, in utter panic, he will rush to demonstrate obedience. Never reward delayed obedience by reversing the sentence. And, unless all else fails, don't drag him to the place of cleansing. Part of his training is to come submissively. However, if you are just beginning to institute training on an already rebellious child, who runs from discipline and is too incoherent to listen, then use whatever force is necessary to bring him to bay. If you have to sit on him to spank him then do not hesitate. And hold him there until he is surrendered. Prove that you are bigger, tougher, more patiently enduring and are unmoved by his wailing. Defeat him totally. Accept no conditions for surrender. No compromise. You are to rule over him as a benevolent sovereign. Your word is final.

Wtf! What's wrong with purchasing a stairgate like the rest of us?

Because it doesnt instill bed wetting fear Daernerys :(

Infact, I wonder how many of these children do suffer bed wetting and how it is dealt with.

What I have just been reading is horrific. I just can't get my head around it.

Has anyone read that book? It's horrifying. 'Switching' a 4month old's bare legs to train her not to crawl up the stairs? Isn't that abuse? It's certainly a truly horrible read and not a Christian attitude in my opinion.

Oops x posts. Frightening isn't it?

It's not just children who are abused. Check out http://nolongerquivering.com/stories/ this website about the Quiverfull movement - the far right Christian movement which advocates having as many children as possible.

doesn't sound very likely. What 4 month old can crawl anywhere, let alone up the stairs? Suspicious of the veracity of that one.

Joan my DC3 could crawl at 4 months, and pull himself to stand at 5 months. None of my others could, and he has ADHD, so that is probably a factor.

That aside, don't they have stairgates?

I don't think you need to obedience train a child who bites when breast feeding- the resulting scream, drop of baby and end of feed is probably negative reinforcement enough!

I train my dog, not my children. And I don't train my dog by hitting him. Utter bastards.

I cant bring myself to watch it after reading the threads on here, it sounds heartbreaking. The stick thing makes me feel sick.

Older siblings should not look after younger siblings, as a parent you choose to have more children but your other children get no say in the matter. The parents should do all the childcare. Different when teens and they can babysit for payment if they choose but it should always be a choice.

Where are these teens supposed to rebel to? They know nothing of the wider world.
I wonder what would happen if Michelle died leaving young children. Would the older girls just be expected to step up? Jim Bob certainly couldn't as it would halve his time with the hair dryer in front of the mirror.

The discipline methods on this thread are just awful, what horrible people if they actually do that to their children. Also, what is the deal with giving all the children a name starting with the same letter, I used to do that with my dolls when I was about 6 ffs, she needs to grow up and realise that children are supposed to be independent people not clones of each other that all behave the same and conform at all times.

This family has always creeper me out. All the kids seem brainwashed and the mother always looks too happy like she as been drugged. The dad likes the control he as and his eldest son is turning into him. I feel sorry for his wife.