To wonder about all the press on Social Services taking children away?

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From good families and parents for no good reason. It is media hype or is there truth in it?

Talking with friends recently, some say they are careful about what they say to the GP for fear of what goes down on record. For example, they would think twice before saying something along the lines of, "I'm finding it hard to cope with my young children while sick with flu (or whatever illness)".

Amy social workers out there who could comment? Is it true that 95% of children are never returned to their parents once removed?

Scary. I can't believe this could happen.

You can apply for a placement order to be revoked if you can demonstrate sufficient change of circumstances since placement order made.

You cannot apply to revoke an adoption order. You can apply for leave to contest it or you can apply to appeal against the making of the adoption order.

Placement orders replaced freeing orders in the 2002 Adoption act. The gov, in it's infinite wisdom thought it was a good idea to give parents two bites of a frankly non existent cherry and hold out false hope that they might get their children back. A child cannot be adopted without a placement order being made.

But as I say so often, in my view the care proceedings are almost always exhaustive, thorough and fair. So once a judge has made a final care order I think it is verging on the inhumane to set up another two lots of proceedings which some parents feel they must contest. But unless the have made pretty radical changes to their lifestyles after the cate order, they are likely doomed to fail.

after the final hearing when an adoption order is given the parents can appeal it until the child has been placed with its adoptive parents but if the child has not been placed with the adoptive parents the birth parents can appeal.

the can use the childrens act..... human rights act....... to support their appeal

they could even quote the magna carta as that to is still law.

And btw it is not 36 weeks it is 26 weeks. That is our new 'deadline'. It is laughable. Without doubling the numbers of social workers and courts, it will never happen.

ok sorry i got the amount of weeks wrong but if people dont fight the against the system (which is corupt) then yes it will happen in that space of time.

Oh I see the same argument is running on this thread. How annoying.

JUST REALISED I HAVE BEEN ARGUING WITH SOMEONE WHO IS MOST LIKELY A BRIDGE DWELLER
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I don't think the system is corrupt. Its made up of human beings, who make mistakes, just like all of us. But to say that the whole system is corrupt is unfair.

I've had a really positive experience with social workers. My son was two weeks old when my OH was changing his nappy, and actually dropped him off the side of our bed onto a hardwood floor .

Crack went his head, straight to hospital. We were distraught. X-rays came back, he had a tiny tiny fracture in his skull but he was fine. Loads, and I mean loads of interrogation questions from hospital staff, doctors, nurses all asking us what happened at different times, together and separate to see if we were making the story up. One woman doctor actually told me I was far too young to have a baby (I was 21) and shouldn't let OH hold him for a while, because he's clearly too nervous around children and is a danger to our son. Nice.

We were discharged, and a week later we had a visit from a SW, a lovely American lady whose family originated from Guyana like OH. All she did was come in, had a chat, looked at our house, wished us luck in our lives and left.

There are two sides to every story, and no two SW are the same. You just don't know the full story of these people, probably never will, which makes it impossible to judge.

glad to hear it icing, I assume your DS was OK :(

A BABY CAN BE ROMOVED FROM THE HOSPITAL WITHIN HOURS OF ITS BIRTH WITH JUST A PPO

You have mentioned a 'PPO' several times. Do you mean a 'police protection order'? Because that doesn't exist. There are police protection powers but no legal order.

I agree with the lady who has pointed out that a lot of people who have negative dealings may well be in denial and not see that they were causing risk/not engaging and making the improvements.

Having met some people, I can say this is quite common, that they see their life as normal, perhaps because they were raised that way. Or they have an addiction that they will not admit to. Or they choose to be with risky partners.

My health was raised as a risk factor, and it's only because I make a concerted effort to ensure I am supported and able to look after their best interests that it wasn't an issue. They look for people who help themselves, even if they aren't perfect.

Of course there will be bad social workers, and perhaps even poorly performing sections of the social services, but I would think that the majority are there to help keep children safe and help families to help themselves.

'They look for people who help themselves, even if they aren't perfect.'

In my personal experience they look for people who do as they are told regardless of the parenting ability or their own lack of qualifications in the matter that is raising concern.

ppo are still being used to this day. i know of one which was done 6 weeks ago in the greater manchester area.

my x brother-in-law is a police officer and he is still asked by the ss to go into hospitals and do ppo`s on newborn babies.

thats fact.....................................

So if a child is adopted, that's not final?

How awful.

So if a child is adopted, that's not final?

How awful for all involved.

so your saying we should be like sheep and follow there full instructions and all will be well and the children will come home ?????????????????????? sorry no.

as stated the sw in my daughters case lied on more than one occasion in court and put false reports into court.

until the child goes to the adoptive parents no its not final.

there are lots of parents fighting adoption orders as we speak but most can say much on the internet as they are gagged (legally barred ) from talking about their children by the courts.

its called a gagging order and there are many many people who have been serve these.

Are they really called the anonimus family army? Can none of you spell

no its me who cant spell.

google it and see what you come up with.

Mysecretworld

My best friend in the whole world is a mother of 4 but she has some issues that occasionally prevent her from actually parenting.

When this happens if she won't willingly hand her children over to either me or her mother we call ss then with ss mediation she tends to hand them over until she is better when we agree she is ss asses her then the children go back.

Being a good friend is about trying to help sort stuff out even if its an emotive subject like piss poor parenting and still being a friend and loving the person.

It's not about saying " ohh nasty sw she's telling lies you did nothing wrong"

Is it possible that you are mistaken with your viewpoints towards your dd's parenting skills because you think that's being more supportive?

It's not an Order
an Order is a legal power granted by the court. Police have powers that they can exercise without requesting anything of the court. The Police have far more powe than social workers in fact.

You are completely blinkered and know nothing about the reality of the lives of the children you are supposedly concerned about. Your assertion that social workers snatch children deliberately from safe parents in order to meet targets is disgusting and makes you appear quite irrational. You simply won't accept that hundreds of thousands of parents are not safe to look after their children and that those children should be placed with alternative carers, in permanent homes if possible.

my daughter did nothing wrong she left the babys father as he was the violent one.... all police reports for the dv stated in them that he was the aggresser not my daughter.

i am not blind i can see when people have a problem in bringing their children up.

no i admit there are children who should not be allowed to stay with their parents who the ss should take into care but from what i have see with my own eyes its not them children who the ss are taking.

thats what annoys me they dont take the children that need taking they take the children that are loved and wanted and cared for.

I think you are unwilling to lay any blame on your daughter here, which I do understand on an emotional level.

But SS do not just turn up and take babies away because they fancy it.

no they came because of the dv which had happened at the house they were sharing and the 1 incident where after she left and came to mine her x turned up and started on both me (who is a wheelchair user) and my daughter which the police were called to, after the one dv at my house my daughter went into a hostel for both hers and the babys safety.

the hostel hed no concerns about my daughter with regards to caring for the child and protecting the child but the ss came with the police and took my grandson (i was there when this happened).

if my daughter had of put the baby at risk i would have been the first person to say something.

i am not the sort of person who would leave a child who IS AT RISK from abuse in the family home at the family home.

i would indeed try and help the child.

but in the worst case situation i would call ss if that was the only way to keep the child safe from REAL FACTUAL HARM OR RISK OF DEATH...