To not give a toss about Abu Qatada's human rights?

[wannaBe]

So he came here on a fake passport, is a radical suspected of plotting God-knows-what, and yet we apparently shouldn't deport him back to where he came from (regardless of the fact he is here illegally) because he might be persecuted back in Jordan?

Now if this was an innocent person who meant no harm to others who had come here illegally I would be more sympathetic.

But it's not.

Live by the sword, die by the sword and all that.

Agree 100%

just because someone is distasteful and suspected (but not proven) to have committed crimes, doesn't mean they shouldn't be afforded access to justice/legal process.

I think he's a vile and probably a dangerous man, but I also think that we are very fortunate to have a country where people can use the legal services available to make their cases.

What I do have a problem with here though are the resources he seems to be able to access in comparison to a more typical (if there is such a thing!) asylum seeker. There are so many people who may have perfectly legitimate asylum cases who are deported or lose their asylum cases who don't seem to be able to reach the national interest or receive the level of support Qatada has.

I have to admit I agree with you. Ok for him to advocate killing others but we have to respect his human rights??

I really don't care what happens to him either. I do have concerns about him being deported to Jordan, I couldn't care less whether he is tortured but I worry that he won't be under sufficient surveillance and will blow up a plane or something.

YABU respecting human rights is what seperates us from them. If we only respect the human rights of decent people, they cease to be human rights. Do you really want to give away the rights of 6 billion people because of the actions of 1?

YABU.

We have a Human Rights act to stop things like Nazis gassing whoever they feel like that particular week/people being imprisoned just because they've got a set of opinions that don't quite tally with those of the power. You can't apply the HRA to some people but not others or else we become the type of country that we deride as barbaric.

I agree that we should respect his human rights because it is what separates us as a country etc etc. But I still couldn't care less what happens to him. If he ends up tortured or blows himself up I won't lose any sleep over it.

YABU but I agree with you

If you don't respect someone's (anyone's) human rights then you are as bed as them. If you don't care whether a person gets killed or tortured then what makes you different to 'them'?

You are afforded human rights by virtue of being human. That's the point.

As others have said, to revoke the human rights of some people due to their actions is to spectacularly miss the point of them. They can only be revoked if you stop being human.

Agree 100% i dont get why they wont boot him out-he is a threat & doesn't come from Britain so who gives a flying f* about dates etc.
He is an extremist and a menace to society he does not deserve Human Rights

yanbu
am fed up with seeing this awful man using his rights, like he cares about others.
he should be deported

I don't really understand why people like him come here in the first place, if they hate Western values so much then why don't they stay in their own country? I am not anti immigrant, anyone should have the opportunity to emigrate wherever they want but genuinely don't understand why they would want to if the fact that we don't live a Muslim way of life here offends them so much.

I care not one jot for the individual fate of Abu Qatada, and think he must be deported.

However I care A LOT about our committment to fair process and a justice system, so it must be followed.

Monkeys - Caring about ones human rights is not the same as respecting them.

I respect his human rights and am glad that we live in a country where there is legislation that protects individuals. Should we be going this this lengthy court process- yes of course we should.

But I don't care about him and I don't care if he ends up getting himself killed. Does that make me as bad as him? Umm I don't think so...

I'm afraid it does yes. Just as he probably doesn't care about you or whether you get killed (by his possible actions) you are saying you don't care about him or whether he gets killed. Tis the same.

it has cost over 3 million to fight this.
what a waste of money.

YABU

If you think that "human rights" is something that we should respect then that should apply to all humans.

Exactly 2shoes, what a waste of money.
It makes me sick

Agree 100% with Blu. This is our agreed legal system. Starting to have exceptions because we don't like someone is very, very dangerous.

Of course he's a scum bag, of course we shouldn't let him go free, but we need to follow our own systems.

All the people saying its the same: it is not at all the same thing!
He is an evil Hate preacher whereas most people on here are not

Perhaps we should invoice the Jordan government for his legal fees!

The point about human rights is that they apply to everyone whether you like that person or not. Once you go down the line of a sovereign nation saying "Human rights only apply to people we agree with" then you are on a very slippery slope.

Yes, it occasionally means we end up in these frustrating and expensive situations. It sucks but you need to take the rough with the smooth. The cost of universal human rights is far outweighed by the benefit.

As others have said, to revoke the human rights of some people due to their actions is to spectacularly miss the point of them. They can only be revoked if you stop being human.

That can be arranged :o