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CliveH27 · 09/05/2012 22:18

I have just had an almighty row with my wife over this subject, and would be grateful for opinions please. Bear in mind that my wife comes from a country where disabled people are only just starting to be accepted into mainstream society. She has lived in the UK for 8 years, and we have a three year-old daughter.

The row erupted earlier today when my mother bought something for our daughter. It was a set of figurines (my daughter loves making up stories), and one of the figurines is in a wheelchair. As far as I am concerned, this is perfectly normal, but my wife has been unable to accept it. Although she accepts that our daughter will mix with a full spectrum of children as she goes through school, and claims she will have no difficulty with that, she looks upon these figurines as having been made for disabled children to play with, whereas I see them as being for all children to play with, partly as a way of helping them understand that children with disabilities are part of mainstream society.
Is there anyone on this list who can help me understand my wife's way of thinking?

OP posts:
ginbob · 10/05/2012 11:31

Maybe you should be deliberately forcing the issue in future now by purchasing anything with black, chinese, disabled people featured - anything which embraces different cultures and backgrounds. Perhaps her stance will change fairly rapidly once she's exposed to much more variety and people with different disabilities.

parachutesarefab · 10/05/2012 11:35

People are often scared of what they don't understand, or what they don't have experience of. When I've been out and about with young people with special needs people stare, or pointedly don't look at you; they don't know how to react. People will choose to stand rather than sit with you on a crowded train.

I remember being told that, in some ancient cultures, children with Down's Syndrome were seen as a blessing on their family, were seen as having a special connection with nature. In the UK it is assumed that a pregnant women will want to assess her risk of having a Down's syndrome child, and may choose not to have the child.

FioFio · 10/05/2012 11:36

it's quite common for ladies from different countries to have phobias about wheelchairs Wink

2shoes · 10/05/2012 11:40

does that mean I can run them over?

MakeHayAndSneeze · 10/05/2012 11:44

Wow - I'm stunned by the vitriol towards op on this thread. No, his wife's views are not acceptable here, but the op loves her and is trying to understand her. She has been brought up with a view from her parents, family, etc and it is very very difficult to change a viewpoint that is ingrained in you to that extent (bigoted or not). Difficult for her as well as op. if she has never really been faced with disability because that part of society has been hidden from her, this may be her first real experience of it. She needs educating, not abandoning by the op (for all those of you who have advocated leaving her). And why on earth would he be a troll?

OP, you know her views are wrong, but you are in the best place to help her overcome her upbringing and then we will have one fewer bigot in the world. At least, thanks to you and your mother, your dc won't be one of them.

Peachy · 10/05/2012 11:44

Even if someone is finding it hard to shift their attitudes it is quite possible to accept that they are unacceptable and practice tolerance and equality anyway- heck i'd lay a lot of money that a lot of older people do that every day.

I've encountered this attitude amongst some adherents to karmic faiths- usually less educated ones who see disability as a punishment rather than what the faiths usually state (a stepping stone to self awareness). I've also heard tales (disability is my specialism, ASD to be specific) of that sort of belief being prevalent in some Muslim communities though I have to say all I have ever encountered towards my boys from the Muslim families at school in kindness, and I am a firm believer in judging on the treatment we receive rather than received wisdom from some training course or college class.

Anyway whilst it wouldn't ever be my partner making comments like this as it would frankly turn me off completely, I think I would adopt a simple zero tolerance approach- as in I can't control your thoughts but you can keep your opinions in your head please. What happens if you have a disabled child later on, or a grandchild with special needs I wonder?

Hecate I absolutely agree with your posts except to say that in a poor country with no health system a disabled child could be a risk to a family's security of home and food I guess, and I suppose attitudes evolve from that BUT that's very sad indeed.

sashh · 10/05/2012 11:44

wow do love the way people make excuse fo a bigot. would you do the same if she was racist?

I'm not trying to make excuses, and no, sometimes people can't change their attitudes easily. It may or may not be relevant that the OPs wife is from another country.

There is nothing about a culture that physically prevents someone from being a good person who respects all people equally and it annoys me (and my husband)

What about Apartheid South Africa? Take a look at some 1980s footage and people are genuinely baffled as to why Europeans in general and the Dutch in particular don't share the view of white south africans. Yes things did eventually change, but because there was pressure from outside. Very few white South Africans believed black people were or even could be their equals, the ones who did generally had to go into exile.

Do not for one minute think I am defending that system, it was horrific, what I am saying is that if you are subjected to a certain viewpoint from birth and it has not been challanged then that, for 90% of people will be your view.

Peachy · 10/05/2012 11:45

FioFio lovely to see you!

2shoes · 10/05/2012 11:49

perhaps as I have a child with a severe disability I am less likely to excuse someone who thinks like this, I do get bored with the "excuses" and the making the person with so little understanding.
blaming it on culture and things like that is an excuse.
making up reasons as to why someone will feel like this is making excuses.

thebody · 10/05/2012 16:38

Your wife should be ashamed.

One of my dds mates was left paralysed from waiste down in an school coach accident in feb, many children including my own were badly injured.

Show this to your wife as anything can happen to any of our children, including hers!!

NenNen · 10/05/2012 17:52

thebody - that is so awful and exactly illustrates the point that disability can happen to anybody, any time.

thebody · 10/05/2012 18:27

NenNen exactly.

tazzle · 10/05/2012 21:02

I dont always make "excuses" either 2shoes ..... after 35 plus years of experiencing the full range of how some people without disabilities react to those with a range of disabilities in a personal as well as professional capacity I can still react with anger to those who make crass remarks or who do the "does he take sugar" stuff. I am an "auntie" and surrogate mum and friend to several people with various disabilities ( and have experienced mental illness myself as well as supporting other family members with OCD and mental illness) and can get very aware / protective.

However I do still try to understand when perhaps people do just not know or understand about a condition and are apprehensive. eg,, how can you tell whether someone next to you says "f* off you b* " for no apparent reason has tourettes or is just being obnoxious (or might even get violent if you dont move). Because I have an awareness of tourettes ( see / hear the tics most days at work) I might make a quick assessment of the context and manner of the person saying it and either just ignore it ..... say hello if I know the person ..... or get the f** out of there and call the police. I can understand others not being able to make that judgment about the person "not meaning it" and be apprehensive.

If their only "knowledge" / awareness of schizophrenia is programmes on tv, both factual and drama, that involves violent attacks by people with schizophrenia then maybe its a little understandable that there is apprehension present and that it will remain until the person is helped to understand that the truth is much different. People are only usually motivated to find out about conditions if they meet or know someone with that condition and that the experience has been either different than they expected in a positive way or a good experience they want to expand on.

Culture ......

I think when I say culture is relevant I am not relating it only to which country a person is brought up but to the environment and the belief systems in the community around as a person grows up. We have many cultures within the uk... and sub cultures.

as defined in a dictionary

...the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group: the youth culture; the drug culture.

There are times here on MN when we all agree that the environment in which a child has grown up affects their belief systems in a way that might be a bit skewed / not in line with reality and rather than lable / blame that person we aim to help that person to understand and change perceptions.

I grew up in sub culture of not only an ethos where women were "barefoot and pregnant and at the kitchen sink" men could more or less do what they wanted, including abuse, and because DM "had made her bed so must lie in it" she stayed. Add mni culture of paedophilia where my experiences / thoughts were that all men were the same and that girls / women could do nothing about it. We were also very poor, living on state handouts most of the time, with little encouragement to think of more. No TV in my house ( I only knew one person with one) to give us a glimpse of a life that was different.

If I had maintained my adulthood with a hatred of men.... or conversly even a hatred of women (because in my eyes my DM did not only not protect me she did not believe me when I eventually told her) ..... I know here on MN I would be accorded the utmost understanding and been supported in changing my perceptions.

Actually I dont hate men or women because I now know not all men are warped / abusive and I know about learned helplessness as well as dissociation etc etc etc. I understand a lot more. People took the time to help me learn that.

The culture in that instance is a (sub) social one that is not the norm in the UK as far as I am aware yet it could have shaped / warped my belief system towards members of our society That example is extreme I know but we do not know the ops's wifes culture and some countries / cultures / religions do have very different opinions /fears / attitudes to disabilities. I have been involved with some families where the parents love their child ( who has a disabilty) very, very much but are caught up in conflicting emotions because of not only their own previous preconceptions and cultural beliefs but the pressures from family / relatives / community.

So if someone grew up in any culture where persons with disabilities were seen as "different" ...... or even a different generation.... they may not be deliberately / consciously intolerant ( which is what a bigot is). I have seen it happen here on MN where people who have made comments that showed a lack of understanding have, though discussion, changed their attitudes. Can the OP 's wife not have that chance ... from what he says she is not being deliberatly abusive towards disabilities.

tazzle · 10/05/2012 21:06

another thing that came to mind today was an example of a cultural difference which illustrates I think both of the points I am trying to make.

I am sure many of us will have seen the series about travellers culture on tv. One of the impressions given was that all traveller males were raised from an early age to settle all disagreements by fist fighting and that males treated females with very little respect at all.

scenario 1. if I were a teacher and one male pupil was repeatedly punching the others and I was having to deal with it. Yes of course its wrong / unacceptable for him to hit other children ...but it might make me understand more WHY he did it if I knew he had come from a traveller culture where this was expected of him .... and that whatever I was saying / doing to prevent the punching was going totally against his cultural norm ( if he had been raised according to the above principles). By understanding why its not condoning but helping identify the most appropriate way to try and stop this behaviour.

scenario 2 ......... If I did not know some traveller people that do not live like the ones porrtrayed on the tv programme I might continue to believe that portrayal was fact ........... and make totally inaccurate or predjudicial statements / judgements.

I of course might still be wrong Wink because gypsies / travellers are like all people...... individuals not labels.

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