19 years for child rape

[thebody]

Aibu to think this is disgraceful??? Child rape,

Should be life.

AKMD-words fail me, who actually gives a damn whether they go insane they are insane and evil so dont deserve any sort of life imo

Can we stop using the word 'insane' to describe both mental health problems and child rapists. They may not be 'insane'.

True they aren't representative of insane people either, they are just evil, perverted and should probably be castrated without anaesthetic or wound care.

Castrate the evil monsters & throw away the key is my opinion .
It's time our courts dealt out acceptable sentences to criminals, that the general public agree with. Then deport them.

I don't think it's impossible to feel a huge amount of sympathy for the victims of crime and at the same time feel horror at the thought of another human being being locked away for the rest of their lives. IMO life is inherently precious and the thought of someone choosing to make such evil choices that they are deemed unworthy of living a purposeful life is incomprehensibly horrific. It doesn't mean that I feel sorry for the men in this particularly sorry for the men in this particular case (and if you read my first post you'll notice that I thoight that the majority had got off lightly).

Sorry AKMD but I disagree completely with your last post, IMO it is patently obvious that these men are unworthy of living a purposeful life. I genuinely don't believe that peadophiles can be rehabilitated and they have no place in society with decent human beings. You might find the idea of them serving life behind bars horrific, I find the idea of living near or working with these types of people horrific.

Well, I think they're evil lowlifes who I wouldn't want within 500 miles of me too but it's still mind-boggling to me that people spend year after year locked in the same building. Yes they chose it and deserve it but what a waste of life.

Until we have a legal system that is entirely without mistakes, errors, prejudice and miscarriages, we cannot inflict punishments that are cruel and horrible. Even if you believe that it is right to castrate rapists and kill murderers (which I personally don't) you can't say that it is OK to do it if there is the chance that one of the people you are doing this to is innocent. Look at how many innocent and/or learning disabled people are killed in the US system.

I am also dubious of our ability to 'cure' sexual predators. I have worked with some and I believe it is difficult to do and impossible to guarantee. It doesn't mean that I think it is right to abuse them back. I think all abuse is wrong.

I have worked in the Muslim community and think a lot of people on here would be quite shocked at a lot of Muslim mens attitudes to women in general let alone 'Western' women. Most are obviously not peadaphiles and rapist but a lot have come from rural Pakistan with medievil ideas about women and thier place in society.

I do wish that people would stop generalising the attitudes of 'muslim men that they have worked with!'

I do not deny that there are 'medievil' ideas hanging about but please keep it in context!!

It's like me saying that I have worked in the Christian community and think a lot of people on here would be quite shocked at a lot of priests attitude towards girls let alone boys. Most are obviously not paedophiles and rapists but a lot of them follow a certain doctrine with medievil ideas about children and their place in society!!!

How out of order is that what i have said! completely out of context, unfair and objectionable!

I actually agree with you about alot of priests and also would put some fundamentalist and even alot of evangelical christians in the pot as well. I have not ''worked with muslim men '' I have worked in the Muslin community mostly with women/children, the context I am putting it is everday day life in a swath of a city. Its not out of order, out of context or objectionable to tell the truth, may be not PC or easy to say and that is why this procecution took so long and countless more girls were abused.

How could they go insane? They already ARE insane!!! (or just plain evil!)

The horrible thing is they are not insane at all. they think they did no wrong.

They thought it was fair game.

That is what is so very scary about this and yes there are more men who think like that out there.

All the sentences are too short, living as a survivor of child rape is almost as bad as being killed by one and many survivors do kill themselves.

Child rapists should get life and serve it.

Bloody hell I've just watched that on the BBC News SinisterBuggyMonth. I haven't shouted at the TV that loudly or obscenely for a while. I wonder, if I smacked him in the gob, would he think he were dancing?

i cant believe they showed no remorse,

did any of them plead guilty?

under shariah law the married ones would be stoned to death and the unmarried ones 100 lashes,

is that a better sentance

hmm so I feel that the only defensible reason for locking these people up is to keep children safe. The only possible reason for releasing them into the community is if we can be certain that they are only as likely to offend again as an average man on the street.

In this case, due to the systematic abuse I cannot imagine these men will ever be safe around vulnerable children......

Mind you if we actually had a system in place to help them rather than just sticking them in a cell to rot then that might be different.

They should never be freed, i dont like all this do-gooder nonsense and human rights should only be there for the victims.
Cant believe people actually care for these creatures.
The children are the innocent and should be protected , thats all anyone should care about

I'd like a system in place to help thier victims.

Funny how rapists human rights are worth more than the victims.

But thats ok the victims are only children and don't have human rights please note my severe sarcasm in that last sentence.

Are they not British Citizens then (with a UK passport?)

If they are, they cannot be deported surely.

If they are dual nationals, the Home Secretary could revoke citizenship ' if she believes it to be ?conducive to the public good?, ' - this power is I think more applicable to people who are deemed a security risk rather than a threat to individuals.

i am wondering, are these sentences fixed term tariffs? or IPPs? if IPPs then they might not ever get out, as they are based on those individuals demonstrating they are safe to be released. so if they continue to show no remorse, or continue to be a danger to children as their sentence end date approached (more so that they do not show they are not) they will stay in until they can.

I dont know about their sentences, but this is the type of sentence they should have got. Surely that would have been possible? but I dont know much about sentencing, more about what happens when they are released. Although as it seems now, by the time that happens they will probably report to a bio-kiosk of some kind not a human, so even then their risk wont ever be fully monitored

If they're deported, that should happen AFTER they've served their sentences. Otherwise, it's not much of an example to set to society.

"Rape lots of children, and get a free air fare to another country- no inconvenient time in prison required!"

The typical murdered gets 14 years.