AIBU to be shocked by these American views on women's bodily autonomy?

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If you have time, please read this thread.

boards.askmen.com/showthread.php?130715-Then-End-of-a-relationship-before-and-after-an-Abortion&p=1311666#post1311666

The OP is a boy who regrets not supporting his girlfriend through her abortion.

The thread turns into an abortion debate around page two. There is one female poster making very valid agreements about a woman's right to make choices about her own body and is being flamed by the others.

One male poster actually says "So fucking what if it's her body?"
The worst part is that the women themselves are not speaking in support of a woman's right to choose:(

There are repeated references to how depressed men feel when their SO aborts, but nobody stops to think about how women feel when they are forced to give birth and endure 37-42 weeks of pregnancy. I completely sympathise with men who may feel helpless in such a scenario but I can't really support the idea of a man being able to prevent a woman from terminating a pregnancy.

I'm all for couples making decisions together, but surely the final decision about an abortion should lie with the woman?

The vast majority of people who have a child would find it impossible to erase that child from their mind, surely? The suggestion that men would find no contact and no financial support as "enough" to mean that child does not exist for them anywhere in their psyche does not make sense to me and I'm sure most men (even the ones who have gone awol etc) cannot just erase things from their minds like that.

Manic the man can sign away all rights to the child once born. In the same way he can sign away his car or motorbike or house to anyone else. What he cannot do is sign away his right and not pay the billof having the goods delivered in the first place.

He signed the bill of sale the moment he decided to not take care of his side of contraception. He could have not held hands. not tried for a kiss not get an erection not try to get her naked not put his penis in her vagina and keep it there for some time, he could have withdrawn to ejaculate worn a condom frozen some sperm when he was seventeen and got a vasectomy. He choose to do none of those things so he accepted he was going to impregnate someone.

a women has a few choice regarding a pregnancy, they can choose to continue the pregnancy and become a mother, abortion or have the baby adopted out.

If a man does not want to be a father, but the women wants the baby he has no choices and ends up paying child support to atleast 18 years.

I am not saying it an easy choice for a women to put a baby up for adoption, but once this is finallised there is no going back.

I personally believe that life begins at conception. I always have. I also believe that, for me, abortion is something which should only be done if either the baby or mother's life is at stake, or the pregnancy is a result of rape or incest. This is just my personal belief.

That being said, I know people who have had abortions and I don't judge l. You have to do what is right for you.

I don't agree with sgb's comment about having the option for an abortion until birth. My son had a personality before he was born, he dreamt - apparently, well, according to scientists- and he had massive potential even before birth. He most certainly wasn't a fetus at 38 weeks.

lazymonkyface and is that not the case for babies conceived through rape or incest?

Well quite, CrunchyFrog.

lazymonkeyface, given the woeful conviction rate for rapists and the long lead-in time for court cases, how do rape victims get access to the abortion that you would graciously allow? Or would you go on the victim's say-so?

No, I believe there is still life at conception all the time.

I'm not saying a woman needs to prove she's been raped or anything before she has an abortion. It's just for me personally I wouldn't have an abortion unless I've been raped and gotten pregnant, or my life is in danger.

I dont understand where the snarky thing about me graciously allowing anything has come from? I've not said that should be the law, I've stated my personal belief and made clear that's all it was, a personal belief.

Lazymonkeyface You say you believe life begins at conception because that is your belief then you say later that you accept that your foetus dreams because science may tell you that. Why do you not accept the mast majority of science that does not point to life being 100% viable until after 24 weeks minimum.

How dd you come to your belief about life starting at conception?

Are you aware that depending on the type of twins they eggs may not split until 8 to 10 days after conception. Which life started first. What about the eggs that are fertilised then re-absorbed into the body within a few days. Is the mother guilt of involuntary manslaughter since some american laws are trying to make a woman guilty of miscarriage.

The one common theme with these new laws is they the are being brought about by theocratic politician and if history and current situations around the world prove anything the last thing we need is a new theocratic leader with acces to nuclear weapons in the white house.

The words Freedom and patriotism are have always used been bandied about by the fascist right to remove freedoms, exercise control, and dictate to the masses.

Well novak I have to tell you that I don't know the answers to your questions.

I've always believed in life at conception. I don't know how I came about believing this, but I don't think it's going to change because of an internet conversation.

"Why do you not accept the mast majority of science that does not point to life being 100% viable until after 24 weeks minimum" - I've not said that I believe in viable life at conception. That's just stupid. There is no way an 8 week fetus could survive. I just believe in life at conception. As someone who has had multiple miscarriages, it comforts me knowing - well, believing for the pedantics out there - that my babies had a life, they were only sent to earth for such a small period of time because they had accomplished all they needed to do. I don't see why this is such a wrong way of thinking, nor am I prepared to listen to people telling me it is.

Before anyone jumps onto this, i don't know how this thinking fits into aborted babies and I can't answer any questions around this.

Not heard of that TapirBackRider, absolutely disgusted! If some one started investigating me for the 'murder' of my child after the MC of my very much wanted and planned baby, I think I would sue. I would sue the hell out of them and sue them some more. Losing my baby was awful enough, especially given the treatment I received from medical professionals at the time, I think being investigated for 'murder' would be downright traumatising. What an awful awful idea for anyone to come up with.

Dizzy I know exactly what you mean, I had a stillbirth many years ago and the thought that I would be investigated for murder just astounds me.

Well this is the latest one I've had forwarded to me...

www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/07/kansas-house-passes-most-dangerous-sweeping-anti-abortion-law-in-the-nation/

I'm disgusted by this.

Crap - try this link

www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/07/kansas-house-passes-most-dangerous-sweeping-anti-abortion-law-in-the-nation/