to be proud of being a white english muslim?

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Yes it sounds weird. Point is, some people (muslim and non muslim) are of the opinion you cannot possibly identify as this, but I love our culture and Im enjoying passing it down to my ds (in the form of afternoon tea and gentlemanly manners ;) )

I love my religion, and boy do I love my culture :)

PosiePaques Northern Ireland?

But don't you think the language that can be borrowed has something to do with it, and the obvious brainwashing of vulnerable victims.

buddhism....now there is a religion (well it isn't really a religion is it - which may well be the point) that I would actually be surprised to see generate a suicide bomber.

The whole thing is geared towards personal responsibility and acceptance. There is also very little in the way of control of others, personal power trips, or gender bias.

All in all I think it is a Good Idea....

You don't need a religion for this. It is of course useful, however ethnic history and ideology are just as useful. All you need is to be able to identify the enemy, then you can use what you like to demonize them and justify attacking them.

I really don't get why this is on AIBU?

Buddhists have not always kept away from violence. For example...

Even in 621, monks from the Shaolin Temple of China took part in a battle that helped to establish the Tang Dynasty.

In the 14th century, Buddhist fighters led the uprising that evicted the Mongols from China.

In the 1930s and 40s, Japanese Zen was siezed by jingoism and teachings twisted to justify killing. Zen institutions supported Japanese military aggression and raised money for the manufacture of war planes and weapons.

In the present day there are over 3000 Buddhists serving in the US armed forces.

In Sri Lanka the civil war between the mostly Buddhist Sinhalese majority and the Hindu Tamil minority has cost 50,000 lives.

Thank u Houdini for that. I suppose it just struck me as me and dd were talking about shopping for totally unsuitable clothes(her) and she was looking for her rugby mouth guard at same time!!!

She is free, all girls should b and all religions stifle women's aspirations and achievements. , repeat ALL RELIGIONS.

Totally agree with much of what Houdini posts here, and I am a Catholic..

'I frequently went to town on them and asked them if they would like their mothers, their sisters, their grandmothers to be treated like that? As they are all the same Christian/Kaffir stock as these converts had come from. Would that be OK? Would they shove their own grannies into the gutter so they could pass? '
I have an old neighbour who gets treated like this by her own daughter, a convert to Islam of many years now. The daughter refused to go to her father's RC funeral, didn't even make the effort to visit him in hospital when he was dying, because she now eschews all things remotely related to her RC past.

Thank u Houdini for that. I suppose it just struck me as me and dd were talking about shopping for totally unsuitable clothes(her) and she was looking for her rugby mouth guard at same time!!!

She is free, all girls should b and all religions stifle women's aspirations and achievements. , repeat ALL RELIGIONS.

Are you sure, thebody? Jesus was very affirming of women. Yes I am very upset by sexism in the church too, but I don't think it's what Jesus would have wanted and that's why I'm still a Christian.

"Are you sure, thebody? Jesus was very affirming of women" er- how exactly?

Muslims use the term rever rather than convert as they believe everyone was born muslim and so they are reverting to their true religion rather than converting to a new one.

I think islam has taken over such a strong hold on certain parts of the world as it gives men total control of their women. The men might be poor, uneducated and no way of changing that they will still not be bottom of the pile as that place is reserved for the women folk. They can still exersise some power even if it is only the power to rule their household.

Defuse, re not apologising. Think our pm apologised for slave trade., ridiculous I agree but are apologies only one way?? I can guarantee I or my parents have never been in the slave trade!!

Exactly dione. We don't need to look too far back in history. In fact there was a documentary on some time ago that basically exposed that what happened to the jews around hitler's time (media propaganda) is exactly what is happening to the muslims today.

posie You talk of the greatness of freedom yet you would like to stipulate that girls and women do not walk on the streets with their heads covered. Do you think that you are 'liberating them'? It is all very patronising!

Erm...do you remember who bombed manchester shopping centre some time ago? Or will you just blame islam for that too!

seeker jesus was affirming of women. He lived in a time and society that excluded women from religious life but Jesus welcomed women. He taught crowds of men and women and performed miracles for women as well as men. It might not seem a lot by todays standards but for his time he broke all the taboos of mixing and teaching women

But he didn't say anything specific about women, and so the Church has been able to disregard them ever since. If he was such a taboo breaker he could have had a woman disciple.

Some believe that he did Seeker.

thebody our pm never apologised.

Prime Minister Tony Blair said he feels "deep sorrow" for Britain's role in the slave trade and that it had been "profoundly shameful". But Mr Blair stopped short of issuing a full apology.

So, it seems that people expecting all muslims to apologise for a few men does seem to be a one way thing!

Some believe that Mary Madgelene was a disciple, but was later written out of the picture. There were a number of "books" written and it was decided which to accept into the bible.

a disciple is just a follower of jesus so itn that respect mary magdelene was a disciple. She was his friend and lead a big part towards the end of his life. She was also present at the time of his death and burial and the first to see him after resurrection.

Also note in the end it was the men who ran away in fear but it was Mary who stayed.

Bbqjuly please don't feel I am criticising Jesus or essential teaching of him or Mohammed but fact remains that whatever they did or did not teach has been used to suit men and not women.

The catholic church is institutionally and women seem to support this, some women in Anglican faith don't want women vicars, as for Islam, just mind blowing women cling to chains that bind them.

But I am in no way mocking your beliefs.

Defuse, no one is asking all Muslims to apologise, but my dh was in London on 77 and there a week later when Muslims marched in support of bombers. One had a fake suicide jacket on him. Disgusting.

In Somalia a teacher had to be smuggled out of the country as many called for her to be 'stoned to death' for calling the class teddy Mohammed!

Women and girls are stoned to death in Afghanistan for adultery while acid is thrown into girls faces for attending school.

Lovely peaceful Islam??

I don't expect Muslims to apologise, I expect Islam to examine itself and work out why this happens in the name of Allah. I expect Catholics to examine why so many paedophiles chose to be Priests.

"Jesus was very affirming of women" "er- how exactly?"

Here are a few examples for you seeker.

In Luke 7, the inner circle of Jesus' followers is described - there were 12 male disciples and an unspecified number of women (Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Susanna and "many others").

In Luke 10:38-42, Jesus taught Mary, sister of Martha. This broke the Jewish tradition of the time which was that women weren't allowed to be taught.

In John 4 we hear about Jesus' conversation with a woman of Samaria. At the time, men were not allowed to talk to women except in their own families. She was ritually unclean both by being a foreigner and a woman.

Similarly, in Mark 5:25-34 Jesus again ignores the "ritual impurity" laws, when he heals a woman who suffered from menstrual bleeding for 12 years. And again he's conversing with a woman outside of his family. Jesus refers to her as "Daughter".

Jesus repeated the importance of supporting widows throughout his ministry. Luke's gospel alone contains 6 references to widows.

Jesus overthrows the previous divorce laws. At the time, a man could divorce his wife, but the woman couldn't divorce her husband. In Mark 10, Jesus overthrows this and says neither spouse should divorce the other, thus treating men and women equally.

Jesus used language which treated women and men equally. In Luke 13 he refers to a woman as a "daughter of Abraham", implying she had equal status with "sons of Abraham". The phrase "son of Abraham" was a term in use which referred respectfully to a Jew, but "daughter of Abraham" seems to have been created by Jesus. Jesus heals this woman on the Sabbath, despite the indignance of the synagogue ruler. He considered the healing of a woman to be more important.

In Luke 7 and 8, Jesus forgives a woman's sins, and refers to women and men alike as children of wisdom. This is against the culture of the day where women were considered to be inferior to men and under their authority (either their father, or once married, their husband).

In Matthew 28, Mary Magdalane and "the other Mary" are designated the first apostles. This was radical as at the time, women were limited to roles of little or no authority.

In John 8, Jesus steps in to prevent the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees from stoning a woman. The woman caught in adultery is being condemned by the men around her and they're preparing to throw stones at her. "In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" Jesus tells them "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

There are no instances in the Bible where Jesus ever disgraces, belittles, reproaches, or stereotypes a woman.