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to want to take my pushchair into my doctors surgery?

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gillquil · 09/04/2012 22:39

my g.p surgery has just banned pushchairs, I've them a letter that follows, is this the norm? or should I just change our G.P.?

Hello,

I would like to make a complaint about the forthcoming ban on pushchairs in the surgery from the first of April. I am a mother of three, my eldest child has just turned four and we have a double pushchair which we normally use for our two youngest. My youngest child has just turned one, and as is typical for his age, he wants to crawl and climb all the time, he definitely doesn?t want to sit on my lap while I wait, he will however normally wait happily in his pushchair, or sleep in it while we wait or during our appointments. My two year old daughter just wants to run around.

If I am unable to bring my pushchair into the surgery I am going to have to let my son crawl over the floor in the surgery which I can?t imagine being the most hygienic thing to do. Or when he is asleep I will have to wake him, and what if both he and his sister are sleeping? do I really want to wait for my appointment struggling with a sobbing two year old daughter and a crying one year old son, my handbag, and changing bag on the floor or on the seat next to me. All of which, toddler, and baby and baggage have to then be carried into the appointment. I would also like to know what is suggested for mothers who need for example to have their young child with them during say a smear test? Should I leave him to crawl around the floor in the surgery during this?

Parents that I know often rely on being able to entertain a young child or children in a pushchair so that they can speak to their G.P. or nurse for a few minutes uninterrupted. Or the child sleeps on through their appointment and waiting time, and the parent can have a proper conversation or treatment.
I don?t have the option of arranging childcare for the times when I need to come to the surgery, especially as we normally ring at 8 a.m to see what appointment we can get if any for that morning.

I asked about the security of the area that has been designated for pushchairs to be left. As far as the lady I spoke to knew, there is none, it seems that the surgery is relying on the area being ?out of sight.? I disagree anyone walking past will be able to see a row of unsecured pushchairs. Pushchairs cost as I am sure you know an enormous amount of money. We live close by and two of my neighbours have had pushchairs stolen from outside their own front doors in the last six months, and we had a child?s scooter taken ourselves. It was suggested also that I buy a bicycle style lock for our chair, but I can?t see what I would secure it to.

While I can see the need for some sort solution to the congestion in the waiting room, as a result of parents and children who are patients at XXX Surgery using pushchairs, I don?t feel that just telling people their only option is to leave their pushchairs outside, in an unsecured area, and carry in their child or children and changing bags, handbags and who knows even their shopping, is acceptable. In fact I think it?s discriminatory. I have spoken to several mothers today who are patients at XXX, as are their children, and they all agree, and have said they will be putting forward their comments also.

I look forward to your reply and hope that XXX can be a bit more creative in finding a solution that doesn?t leave patients feeling unwelcome.

OP posts:
SardineQueen · 12/04/2012 22:26

Why does it cost £££ for a surgery to say

OK you can bring a buggy
or
We will help you carry your children through to the consulting room
or
There is another practice locally with pushchair access maybe that would be better for you
or
Gosh you sound terribly ill we had better send someone out to see you
or
any number of things

Now women aren't even allowed to ASK for help?
FFS

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 12/04/2012 22:28

Our gp has had this rule since dd was a baby fifteen years ago. Think I got over it.

SardineQueen · 12/04/2012 22:28

QS you are coming across as deeply unpleasant.

And you aren't reading the thread, you just keep lobbing in inflammatory comments. Strange.

Whatmeworry · 12/04/2012 22:29

If you had read the thread you will know that people have tried to talk about it with surgeries and have been told to bog off.

And if you had read this thread you would know why.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 12/04/2012 22:30

I'm not saying your solution is unacceptable, I'm just saying it doesn't sound like a solution.

A solution would be having a buggy ban but using discretion to allow those with a genuine need to keep their buggies with them. Which is what I think needs to happen but I was told that was unacceptable because then women will have to talk to a receptionist when they might be feeling too depressed to, or they might have to give out information that they would rather keep private. But I got told that that wasn't acceptable too.

5madthings · 12/04/2012 22:30

well the receptionist wouldnt have known about my problems, i didnt say i am wanting an appointment with my gp as i feel like i am going mad and want to kill myself and my children, i just called and aksed for an appointment, knowing i could take the buggy, had i not been able to then i know that would have been another nail in the coffin making it harder to go and get the help i so desperately needed. it was hard enough to make the call and get an appointment, explaining what it was for and checking on a buggy policy had there been one, would have been beyond me, believe me even talking to the gp was beyond me until dp literally dragged me there and insisted the drs did something after they had fobbed me off before with 'oh its your 4th, you know what you are doing, you are just a bit tired you will be fine'

SardineQueen · 12/04/2012 22:30

QS calling someone unhinged on a thread where they have been sharing their experience of post natal mental health problems is out or order. It really is.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid · 12/04/2012 22:32

This thread has been full of thoroughly out of order comments. Personally I am still disgusted by the sperm donation one. Yes...24 hours later Angry

pumpkinsweetie · 12/04/2012 22:32

SQ speaks complete sense, i cant fathom to why it would cost £££s either ??
And i also feel as though some posters are missing the point of the thread
All people should be able to access their doctor and because of these pushchair bans mothers with pnd, disabilitys & multiples will probably avoid their appointments due to it so that is why it is important as everbody should be entitled to treatment without feeling ostrised

SardineQueen · 12/04/2012 22:33

whatmeworry you think that if a woman calls her GP surgery and explains why she is unable to attend the surgery and asks for help they should her to bog off?

Why do you think that?

SardineQueen · 12/04/2012 22:34

Gosh 5madthings you are quite impossible

You sound unhinged

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 12/04/2012 22:34

Mine would have gone more bonkers being made to sit in a pram during a wait than on my knee or toddling around, actually. Can't square the circle off a child who is so placid he or she would happily sit quietly in a buggy for that amount of time with the idea that the same child will go bananas if not allowed to sit in a buggy.

5madthings · 12/04/2012 22:38

the origionalsteamingnit they cant toddle round in a drs waiting room or surgery tho, thats the point but as soon as i unstrapped the pushchair that is what they wanted to do, if there wasnt the option of getting out of the pushchair they may winge and fuss a bit but i can try and entertain them but they are contrained and cannot get out, so they are safe, i know where they are and that they are safe and can try and entertain them, if htey are wriggling adn thrashing on my knee i can hardly have a good consultation with the dr, which involves stripping off, yet in the pushchair they would and do sit providing they have toys, snacks or older siblings to entertain them a bit.

oh iam unhinged sardinequeen and gratfully so Grin

SardineQueen · 12/04/2012 22:39

Freddos which is why if they are told they can contact a specific person, over the phone, and talk about their difficulties, and find a solution, it would be good.

Women with accessibility issues should not have to negotiate with doctors receptionists every single time they need an appointment. They should be able to discuss what the problem is with one person and then an ongoing compromise or solution found. It might be that the solution is going to a different surgery. Fine. That's better than effectively being left without a doctor at a time when many women really need medical assistance, and not receiving that assistance could be detrimental to not just them but their children.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 12/04/2012 22:41

But there isn't usually room for buggies and prams and siblings for entertainment, is there? There certainly isn't at my gps. It's just one of those things, you can't take a pram somewhere it's not practical to do so.

5madthings · 12/04/2012 22:46

i have always had a small pram, and yes sometimes it s squeeze, but i make my older children stand and not take up a chair that may be needed by others, and would always move out of someones way etc, and in the gps room yes it can be cramped but as i can only get appointments at short notice, i cant always get childcare and do have to take my children.

the last time i went and took the little ones in with me and left my 9 and 7 yr olds in the waiting room, they were perfectly behaved and sat and read quietly, other patients commented on how well behaved they were, but the receptionist then told me off for leaving them unattended in the waiting room! i was in with the dr for all of 5 mins and the appointment required getting undressed etc at their ages i thought it made sense for them to sit quietly and read, knowing they woudl behave, but i got told off for that, so you cant win really!

Whatmeworry · 12/04/2012 22:47

All people should be able to access their doctor and because of these pushchair bans mothers with pnd, disabilitys & multiples will probably avoid their appointments due to it so that is why it is important as everbody should be entitled to treatment without feeling ostrised

Again.

The reason buggy bans are coming in is that smaller surgeries are being told that for H&S, fire risk and insurance reasons they have to leave space. Buggies take up the space. Hence the bans.

The cost of converting/upgrading/moving a surgery is mahoosive. The state is skint. The vast majority of people will cope so no one will willingly pay extra. so it ain't going to happen. The chances of rescinding H&S and insurance legislation is negligible.

So what is your solution, apart from wailing about your right to shove a buggy into a surgery any time you desire?

monkeypuzzeltree · 12/04/2012 22:49

Oh please, to those of you that really don't understand why a toddler is easier to deal with in the pushchair, please do take my daughter with you next time you have an appointment! Grin

It has nothing to do with a child being more placid in the pushchair versus toddling around its just that she is a 2 year old toddler and frankly she's under restraint in the pushchair and will look at the book or magazine I bribe her with to be quiet. She is far too inquisitive to not want to have a look in the cupboards in the doctors room or jump in the scales, it's hard to manage that at the same time as having your own chest listened to!!

The surgery insurance doesn't cover my buggy being in their shelter, so they can't very well insist I leave it outside.

SardineQueen · 12/04/2012 22:50

I'm off to bed.
But I just wanted to point out
That to people saying
That mothers (parents) who find it hard to access the doctor
Are selfish
Should not call the doctors surgery to discuss
Are bad parents
Should not have had children in the first place
Will end up killing pensioners
And all the rest of it

Women in a fragile state of mind or health could well be reading this thread, due to it applying to their situation, and be taking your words to heart.

I know that actually you don't give a stuff, but I just wanted to say it.

SardineQueen · 12/04/2012 22:51

Whatmeworry I have posted my solution.

You said it is right that women with all sorts of difficulties be told to bog off.

Happy news is they are.

Woohoo!!!

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 12/04/2012 22:52

Well I'm taking my bike in next time. It was very expensive and I behave better when I can sit on it.

This is, to use two mn phrases in one go, a very PFB and very entitled thread, and to to bung in a third, there's also quite a lot of stealth boasting going on too.

SardineQueen · 12/04/2012 22:54

Who is entitled.

The women with mental health problems, the women with mobility issues, or the women with twins.

SardineQueen · 12/04/2012 22:54

And FYI I think that everyone in the UK is entitled to treatment on the NHS, aren't they?

LetsKateWin · 12/04/2012 22:57

Sardine, I really think you're wasting your time with some of these people. They just can't understand why not everyone can manage.

I hope you manage to have a good night's sleep.

pumpkinsweetie · 12/04/2012 23:01

Well said SQ everyone on the NHS is entitled or it wouldnt be called national health would it.