that the police get such massive pensions...

[TakenYears]

....and from the age of 50.

Other public sectar workers get nothing remotely resembling that.

Taken , instead of taking figures from your bil , who retires soon, take them from my dh , who retired in December . He chose to commute his pension in part for a lump sum , the same as you have every right to do. His yearly pension now after 30 years at age 55 , is 19k . Having done the length of his contract . The only way that any PC gets 25k , is to not take a lump sum.That, or he's not a PC.

Indeed, saggar. 12% my arse.

For goodness' sake Taken

These are the current, pre reform gross contribution rates.

Up to:
£21,175k: 5%
£21,175-69,931: 6.5%
£69,932-110,273: 7.5%
Above this: 8.5%

The banding will change post reform but the highest earners will still only pay 10.9%

You should have received the NHS prnsion leaflet last month. If not, contact payroll and take ownership of your own pension before you start whinging about anyone else's

My husband is a police officer in NI, he will get a good pension when he retires, his contributions now practically cripple us financially and he is on a pay freeze but has to increase his payments.

He joined late in life, so will not be getting a huge pension in comparison to others. He will not be retiring at 50.

He absolutely loves his job and is so good at it, he's the type of person you want searching for your teenager if you've had a fight and they've ran off. In the past few months he's dragged two suicide attempts out of the water, chased feckless burglars out of building sites, attempted to revive elderly people who have collapsed in the street. Had to sit with people whose relatives have just dropped dead in their living room, attended post-mortems, attended SIDS deaths and taken gods abuse from people he's trying to help.

Oh and we have to lie about his job, move house, our children don't know what he does for a living, neither do old school friends etc, we check under our cars for a car bomb oh but we can't be too obvious incase the neighbours find out.

He can't strike, gets called in on rest days, can be kept on after a shift for hours etc which really buggers up our childcare arrangements. You couldn't pay me enough to do it never mind think about a pension which is years off and which hopefully he'll be in good enough health to enjoy.

Graham Sorry for your loss to start with.

Having come to this thread late TakenYears, you don't seem to have any coherent understanding of the pension schemes. It appears you thought you have been paying in double the pay you have actually been contributing.
Colleagues more eloquent than I have put forward the rationale of why the police get a better pension scheme.

When you joined nursing one would presume that you looked at the pay scheme, as I did 18 years ago when joining the police. You now can't jump up and down and complain that we have a better pension than you. Yes we do for all the reasons outlined above.

We have restrictions on our day to day life, where we live, who we associate with, who our children associate with, how we behave when trying to forget about the daily horrors which we can face. I could go on but am trying to relax after yet another grueling shift.

I fully support the fact the nurses pension should increase as should working conditions. You have the right to strike, we don't.

Windsors recommendations, when they are implemented, will change the face of policing forever brining in compulsory redundancy.

Let's stand shoulder to shoulder and fight together, not each other

thanks Gin - appreciate it.

Taken, why do you think you pay 12%?

I am most impressed at how measured the posts are from those in /related to the police are under the circumstances

OP are you going to acknowledge you might be a teeny BU after all ?

Still believe the police pension is way disproportionate to mine and their pension scheme is definately not self funding. It relies heavyly on tax payers contributions.

looselips (appropriate name BTW) I am in awe of your DH's dedication to duty and I applaud your resolve. He will more than deserve every penny.

Taken, you haven't answered my question. How do you work out your maths?

Getting - I agree that the police do a difficult job - and should be rewarded for that.

One person has said the pension was self funding. No public sector pension is self funding. Not mine, not yours.

Now, I pay 11% of my pay every month which is going to increase to 13% this year.
Going on the average, you pay 6.5% if you are indeed a staff nurse.

Worked it out yet?

How can you stick to your argument when you clearly don't know your facts. Confirm what you pay in and confirm what you get out and then come back to the discussion.

"Taken, why do you think you pay 12%?"

Around 12% of my salary goes to pension.

Arounnd 16% of the police salary goes to pension.

No it doesn't, read my post and Gins post above

well put sharon
way more measured than i.

and i also wanted to say to graham that im very sorry for your loss, and to all those who have lost loved ones to the job they do.

sharon is right - why now are public sector workers moaning about other public sector workers? whoever said divide and rule had it spot on.

taken- if truly your pension is as you say have you looked into private schemes? but i was given to believe that the nhs had quite a decent pension from the nurses i worked with at the GPs surgery.

And all this is moot anyway. Windsor has seen to that.

For fuck's sake, Taken, DO THE MATHS

actually this thread has been quite inspiring. i thought everyone hated us

Taken, I have made my point and I hope you will take the time to investigate your pension properly. This is surely far more beneficial to you and your family than your vitriol against police pension rates.

"For fuck's sake, Taken, DO THE MATHS"

12%!!

Are you a nurse?i

Vicar- the vast majority of the public appreciate what we do. Don't forget it. Remember why you joined!

Vicar, trouble is that people dont call the police with good news so it is easy to focus on the negatives and forget why you joined the job. Keep your chin up.
Night

Vicar et al