that the police get such massive pensions...

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....and from the age of 50.

Other public sectar workers get nothing remotely resembling that.

"So don't you like your brother-in-law then OP, is that the source of the venom I detect in your posts?"

I like him very much - I love him dearly.

tell you what op.

if you want a bigger pension, why not start up a private one and put the proportion of your wage into it that would equate to your total contributions being around the 12% mark, then carry on working for 35 years.

that should even it up. and maybe you can stop bitching about police pensions based on fantasy figures

thanks lumpy and all those who think we do do a decent job, i think i need to slowly back out of this thread now and go grab a

The police get more in a pension than you because they put their lives on the line every day that they go to work.

I've had the locals at my door on more than one occassion to let me know that my dh has been injured in the line of duty. I live day to day knowing that there is a possibility that he won't come home again, and I dread that knock on the door.

My dh pays 16% to his pension, and if he does see retirement, then he deserves every penny of it, as you deserve every penny of yours OP, but to say that they shouldn't get as much, because you don't get much is wrong.

YABVVU

Bloody hell they deserve every penny, I couldn't do that job

Debate?

You argument appears to consist of 'it's not fair, they get more than me' whilst others are explaining why actually it is fair that they get more than you.

taken - why am i talking like that? maybe because you are refusing to hear....

anyway. am off.

Taken I'm not sure what your problem is, it feels like you have an issue with police as much as you do with our pension scheme, we pay more in, we get more out, it's just how they work. It's been explained many times in many ways. Please just stop, it's threads like this that put me off coming on here sometimes. Your bil may not be telling you everything

all public service workers are getting hit since cameron and his mates. think we should try to support each other

I don't see why Taken is making a fuss, especially as her figures concerning her own pension which form the basis of her argument appear to be flawed.

I think nurses do a great job and I think police officers do a great job. However the jobs are not the same and, therefore, cannot be compared. If you disagree with the terms and conditions in nursing, fight to change them - don't decide to do another profession down!

If you really want to get shirty about pensions in the public sector, get your teeth into this deal:

My husband is 38 and earns c £70k in the public sector. In two years he can retire with a pension of c £17k if he takes minimum commutation and a pension of £11k if he takes the maximum commutation of c £100k. His pension is completely non-contributary. That's a gold-plated pension!

Given that every silver lining has a cloud, the stinger is that he's a soldier, currently serving in Afghanistan. We get shifted from pillar to post frequently, endure long separations (I haven't seen him since the beginning of December although he is due home soon for some much-needed R&R), we've lived in accomodation that was definitely sub-par, he cannot strike, cannot join a poltical party, cannot join a professional body, is exempt from minimum working hours legislation, minimum pay legislation and has no legal right to paternity leave. I live with the very real possibility that my husband will not come home to me and our children or that he will suffer a life-changing injury.

Of course there are positives to his job or he wouldn't do it and we wouldn't support him but I use him to point out that you cannot look at a pension entitlement in isolation - you have to take into consideration all other aspects of the job.

Walk a mile in someone else's shoes before being so damned judgemental.

Well I conceed that I am definately in the majority here in my belief that the Police pension is way higher than mine and that that is unfair.

Exactly saggar

Before you go vicar a thankyou from me too and to all officers on here

As far as I know 12%

How can you not know what percentage of your salary you pay in pension contributions? Do you not see you payslips?

Taken.... BUT WHY?

I mean minority.

Police pay and conditions have been eroded for the last 2 decades.

Look at 1993, 1996 & 2006.

Police pensions were completely overhauled in 2006 to the detriment of officers. Why, a mere 6 years later, are they so unaffordable? Tis nonsense.

Well put jcscot. I hope you both thoroughly enjoy the well-earned pension.

Vicar, Lumpy, Plomino (and any I've missed!) I work as a dispatcher and have done for many years. Every shift I work I'm surer in my conviction that I couldn't do your job in a million years. Every time I pass out a crappy job, or when you're involved in something critical, I admire our officers' professionalism in the face of the utter SHITE they have to deal with. Not only do police officers have to deal with the really grim side of life and death, as you'd expect, but they also have to keep up the professionalism in the face of the utter scum they spend a good proportion of their working lives dealing with, in the knowledge that if they act any other way, these scum will complain and be namby pambied to in the current politically correct climate.
As a public sector employee, my pension isn't going to be what I expected when I signed up 20+ years ago, I know I could get more if I were to join the regulars, but you know what-I wouldn't be able to hack it. I don't grudge any of my officer colleagues their pension, they (well most of them anyway) deserve every penny.

Yes a minority of one

"How can you not know what percentage of your salary you pay in pension contributions? Do you not see you payslips?"

I'm paying around 12% - and that seems a lot to me for only 5k a year!

If you are paying 12% (which I think you're mistaken about) then you need to speak to someone because according to the document I linked to earlier you should be paying 5 or 6 %.

Taken as I said at the top of this page either your maths is bollocks or your pension is SO shit you'd have been better leaving your contribution in your current account.

I suspect the former.

Viggle, assuming he lives to collect it, we intend to!

Honestly, I don't grudge the vast majority of public sector workers their pensions - teachers, nurses, doctors and police officers do an important job. I couldn't teach or nurse or be a social worker so I respect people who do because they are helping society. I fail to see how jealousy over a supposed "cushy" pension helps us to be a better society.

And perhaps you'd be wise to be sure about the facts of your own pension before deciding that someone else's is unfair in comparison.

My pension will be £16k a year according to my last statement. It will be less than that in light of the recent windsor report. Even though now I'll have to pay in more.

To retire at 50 I would have had to start at 20. 20 year olds starting now will have to work until they are at least 55. Very few Officers are recruited under the age of 25. Ergo, most will retire at 60.

"Taken as I said at the top of this page either your maths is bollocks or your pension is SO shit"

Hey - nurses pensions are shit - and that's the truth.