To not find the name "Irish Car Bomb Cupcake"

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... or cocktail or anything else similar acceptable.

Ugh, brings back way to many memories of near misses and growing up hearing about the latest civilian deaths on the 9 o clock news.

Completely unacceptable. My immediate reaction when I saw that name written down, was to think back to the IRA bombs.

I agree with DiamondBack (although I was born in NI but came to England in 1972 as a result of the troubles).

Old enough . Ireland is a separate country to Northern Ireland. Which is in the UK. So why not have a UK car bomb cupcake if you want accuracy.
So yes, what have the Irish (as in people from the Republic of Ireland) got to do with car bombs? I'm Irish, would you like to tell me what car bombs have got to do with me?

Bukimi......Really???

I am from Dublin. Lived there all my life. Who do you think were planting the bombs?? Do you think it was only people born over the border in the north that were involved in the conflict??

Not sure that all the people who planted those car bombs considered themselves to be from the UK, Bukimi. In fact, wasn't that sort of the point?

I was born in the North. I have automatic Irish citizenship, and could hold an Irish passport if I wanted.

Nobody is suggesting that you, personally, either planted the bombs or condoned them. That doesn't usually need to be spelled out.

Yuck. YADNBU.

For one awful moment - before I realised it was referring to an actual cupcake - I thought someone was trying to have it as their user name.

Oh and FWIW, Sinn Fein has a very strong heritage in Eire.

I'm Irish too, and while yes I can see the connection unfortunately between the Irish and car bombs, I still find it really uncomfortable to hear that violence is a joke to some people as it doesn't directly affect them.
recently I was in New York and was in an Irish bar which sold the shots. I had never seen them before and when I came home was telling dp about them. he was shocked, saying Imagine an osamas destruction or similar

First of all, it's just not funny. Trivializes and is wounding to victims. Crass on a few counts really.

Secondly, unfair to Irish people too. Most of the people (predominantly, not exclusively) involved in the bombings probably were Uk citizens (British government would have regarded them as such anyway irrespective of their entitlement to Irish passports) so it is a bit hypocritical of the UK to regard them as Irish in relation to terrorism only.

Ironically, your average Irish person is a lot let militaristic than your average Briton or American from what I can make out.

I'm Irish by the way

bukimi

Get a grip.

Very poor taste, offensive to many, including those whose friends and relatives died in car bombings. YANBU to find it offensive and unfunny.

Bukimi's comment suprised me though, but I guess it's an age related thing. Many under the age of 30 will not remember the genuine terror and the campaigns of violence from all sides. One car bomb victim

I don't find it offensive as such, just in very bad taste & extremely hurtful.

I'm 35 & from NI & similar to an earlier poster, the child of a policeman. I remember all too clearly my dad having to check under the car for bombs before getting into it every day, not being able to sit by the window for fear of being shot at & the police moving us house literally overnight as they had found evidence to suggest dad was a target. This brings back so many memories that I find it staggering anyone could think this was ok.

On the other hand, however, it is nice that there is a generation coming through now who don't make the connection as they have no experience of it - I hadn't thought of this at all

I think I see what Bukimi is trying to say. The idea that there is still a little bit of the old 'Irish=Terrorist' floating around.

Aside from the horrendously inappropriate name, those cupcakes do look delicious!

If you're surprised for that reason, you haven't understood my comment. I'm well over 30 and am intimately acquainted with the issue. My point being though, that the car bombs were pretty much in the UK (a few in Ireland, but that was loyalists), planted by UK citizens, on the whole. Not "the Irish" which refers to the people of the Republic of Ireland.

thanks, don'twake, thats exactly it. UK citizens equating Irish with Terrorist when it was mostly their own people doing the bombing...its a level of offensiveness completely ignored.

Sodding 21st century and we still have to put up with terrorist jokes every time we go to London.

Bukimi

Wales is part of Britain and yet the people there self identify as Welsh. Idem Scotland.

Are you claiming that only people from the Republic of Ireland can call themselves Irish???

The 'Irish' may be used in an ethnicity way though, not in regards to Nationality. There is another thread on the 'black + tans' shoe. Maybe if the tag 'British etc.' were put on that, other posters could see the reason why the average Irish person would be p**d of with the association.

Having said that, Black + Tan killings were led by government policy and the car bombings weren't. So tag doubly infuriating for the average Irish punter.

I'm saying that when people hear Irish, they think Ireland (obviously). Ireland is a country, of which NI is not a part. So when you say Irish and bombs, or irish and terrorists, or any of the rest of it...people are equating the country with the acts.
If you can't see how thats offensive, I'm not going to bother further.
In fact I'll just hide the thread, I've said what I needed to say. If you asked for the drink or the cupcake in Ireland, you'd be thrown out on your arse. It's offensive on many different levels, I'm only explaining one, but you can take your pick.

I used to be a bartender in the US. At the bar I worked the longest, most of us actually refused to make Irish Car Bombs (which were very popular). If the customer asked why, we'd say, 'Because it's a horrible fucking name for a horrible fucking shot that only shitheads would actually order.'

As for Americans being familiar with terrorism pre-9/11, it really depends where they are from. Those of us from the east coast were pretty aware of the potential for terrorism due to a number of incidents (not just the previous WTC bombing but things like the CIA shootings) and also in DC for example you constantly had bomb threats, etc.

I came home from work one day in 1998 to find my block sealed off and everyone in biohazard suits because someone mailed a (fake) anthrax vial to the HQ of a Jewish organisation. We also had bombings and assassinations at abortion clinics in the northeast.

Interestingly, after 9/11, the parts of the country most affected by terrorism supported Bush's war on terror the least.

Bikini you are talking nonsense? Of course Northern Ireland is part of Ireland,the clue is in the name,and that is,after all what the Troubles were all about. I agree the irish car bomb thing is offensive,oh and I am northern irish born and bred,also lived in London for many years and now in Cork,so I should know what I am talking about.

Eh? I have always thought that NI was (rightly or wrongly) part of Great Britain (or UK always get them mixed up) and that the whole point of the 'struggle' was to make it part of Ireland again?! Dont many northern irish protestants see themselves as British?

Bukini, even though the acts took place in NI and england, the IRA were people who were either from the republic or ireland, or who were from NI and saw themselves as 'Irish'. What I dont like is the association that irish = car bomb. Is like if you called it a 'muslim suicide bomb', it sort of implies that all muslims are terrorists, something that unfortunately many people do think.

That is really offensive and hurtful. W TAF are they thinking?

I am rarely offended by stuff, but yes, I do find that name a bit crass. There was something in the paper at the weekend about Black & Tan Trainers from, I think, Nike as they are coloured like a pint of guiness, and that was deemed to be thoughtless and offensive by many.

I'm American, raised in the States by parents who were both born in Ireland, and I find the name very offensive. I am shocked that there are tons of bars back home (many of which attract "Irish" locals) that offer the cocktail/shot versions on their menus.

I'm a bit however, with the idea that Americans somehow romanticize IRA terrorism.

Amazing how a post about cupcake name can turn into yet another American bashing thread. Just saying.