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AIBU to ditch him?

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KnockersInATwist · 19/03/2012 11:55

Finances are one of the things that case issues between dh and I. He refuses to pool earnings etc, and I dont really know what he earns as he is director of own company (probably about twice my income.) I am cautious about what I spend, as once its gone from each months paycheck thats it, I don't have a pool of cash just lying aobut that I can use. My money goes on bits and bobs for dc and I, trips out/ sometimes school lunches if I've forgotten the joint account chequebook etc. I cant afford (nor would want) to fritter my cash but at the same time I am not poverty stricken. (although last year before I'd had words with dh I was really really on my uppers and could not afford to get my desperately worn out shoes reheeld etc)

He can flash his cash and go to the horse racing for example and spend £150 on bets without thinking about it, in the same weekend as going and buying an expensive electrical item for £400.

Whilst he argues that the whole family would be able to use it, I know that really we would only be able to use it when he says we can, and if he wants to use it we would need to hand it over straight away. At the drop of a hat. And he couldn't understand why I thought that was unreasonable. And I cant really. But I know it rankles with me. I think its that if I wanted to spend £400 on something, (oh the very idea!) I would either have to save up for it all year (and the rest) or ask him for the money. And then there would be a discussion about why I wanted the item, whether it was a good idea, if he agreed I needed it etc and I'd have to present a whole sodding business case. Which if he finally agreed with, I'd be made to feel grateful for ever that he'd bought me the item. Whereas he can just go and decide to blow £400 on a whim. I don't get a say, and made to feel bad about raising it because he says "I never spend anything on myself, it all goes on the family, I'm entitled to spend some of the money I spend so hard working for on myself" . Which I dont disagree with in principle. This might sound like sour grapes and jealousy- it really isn't, its about equality and how I feel like a second class citizen in my own marriage.

He says that in a few years time when I've finished paying off my loan, I'll have a lot more spare cash. Which I will. But that loan has accumulated over the years from the period when I was earning more than him and so supported our family financially whilst he was establishing his career. He does not see why he should have to contribute towards it now. If I tell him I'm leaving, and this is one of the main reasons I would (the lack of equal treatment), I'm just going to look like a nasty grabby woman who is just after his money. When we met he said hed had his fingers burned by an ex who was just after his money (not that he had any anyway) and that he was lucky to find me who was not like all the other women he knew. And now he'll just say that I'm going to prove him right.

Other things we have wrong- sex isn't great, just around his fantasies mainly, which I tend to join in with and maybe thats my fault because if I join in its over quicker. And I am a v good actress so I dont think he knows I'm not into it after all. But its not my cup of tea really. I have tried to discuss this with him because he gets terribly defensive and sulks for days on end.

He's also unkind about me physically. Nothing in particular wrong I didn't think but I do carry extra weight, my boobs are (understandably!) a bit on the saggy side after bfing 2 children, I don't shave my legs often enough and I bite my nails. I am under no illusions that I am a disapppointment to him in the looks department.

I think he tends to bully the dc a tiny bit, but I am really wary of this and pull him up on it if I dont think something feels right. He does adore them, though he does get very frustrated and expects them to be v obedient. Hence my radar on alert as they are yr2/preschool and so only little still. Again he sulks if I tell him I think he's being out of order, strops off and refuses to disuss it further.

I dream of leaving him, but I am terrified of the emotional upheaval- I dont deal terribly well with emotional stuff because he can be a bit dismissive when it comes to how I feel and so I just try very hard not to feel stuff at all. Hence Im not very well practiced at it. I think that if I did I am just going to be painted as a terrible wife and mum for leaving over such insignificant things and I don't know if I'm brave enough to deal with all that.

Of course there are good things about him but I can't focus on those at the moment, only the things that hurt me.

Mumsnet is normally such a good barometer for stuff like this. I had considered putting this in relationships, there is such excellent advice there, but I know that here in AIBU you pull no punches.

Would I BU to ditch his sorry arse?

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squeakytoy · 19/03/2012 11:57

He sounds like a twat.

YANBU.

Shutupanddrive · 19/03/2012 12:00

He bullies the dc's? Shock
He sounds selfish with his money and in the bedroom. You need a serious talk with him, and things need to change or yes I think you should leave him, sorry Sad

bringbacksideburns · 19/03/2012 12:10

He sounds horrendously selfish and mean.

If my H earned twice as much as me and knew i was still paying off a loan from the days when i supported him he would help me, no question.
He spends £150 on Bets but can't help you reheel your shoes?

Does he pay for family holidays or anything? Are there positives at all??

He puts you down and bullies you and your kids.
No YANBU.

Sarcalogos · 19/03/2012 12:19

Yanbu

My DH earns (slightly over) double my salary.

And yet we share everything, everything is joint. The theory being we both work the same hours, and well, we love each other.

When I was out of work everything was still joint (but I felt guilty about it). If I was a SAHM I wouldn't feel guilty, as I would be working for the family, just as he is.

OldGreyWiffleTest · 19/03/2012 12:27

And you're with him why??

Kaluki · 19/03/2012 12:32

He's lucky you have put up with his shit for this long.
YES dump his sorry arse.
Selfish nasty man.

ZillionChocolate · 19/03/2012 12:34

I don't know about the money. DH and I have always contributed equal amounts of money to the joint account and kept the rest individually, regardless of who earns the most. I think that's ok. If you're earning less because of child caring, then that's not fair. If you're paying more on joint expenses, like the house and children, then that's not fair. If the loan was taken out to cover joint expenses then it should be repaid by both of you.

The rest of it all sounds a bit miserable, and it sounds like you need to make some changes. Wouldn't it make sense to consider talking to him and seeing if he can change?

wineandroses · 19/03/2012 12:42

What an unhappy way to live. I know it's a bit late now, but why didn't you sort out the money sharing/joint accounts thing right back at the beginning? I think it is soul-destroying for one partner to have to literally beg the other for money, and to be challenged about why they need money and what they want to spend it on - that's not an adult relationship, it's horrible.

My DH and I have joint accounts and all the money coming into the house belongs to us both. We trust each other not go on wild spending sprees, otherwise, we are both adults, we make our own choices about what we spend. For big purchases, we agree on whether we can afford it or not. My DSister and her DH, on the other hand, have separate accounts and have divvied up the bills between them. Seems to work ok for them, and whoever has more money at any given time will happily use it to help the other pay off any overdraft etc. Either method can work. What can't work though is a DH who won't divulge his wages, won't help you to clear a debt, argues about what you want to spend....awful.

You need to have the big discussion. It may not get you anywhere, in which case you need to start planning an exit strategy, because you can't continue to live like this, it will definitely kill off any remaining feelings you have for him. Last point - if he is bullying your children now at such a young age, imagine how bad it will be once they start to voice opinions that differ to his. They will feel like you do - because, make no mistake, he bullies you now.

AnyFucker · 19/03/2012 12:44

Let's list the points

  1. he is financially abusive

  2. he is shit at sex and you have to fake it

  3. he bullies and demeans you verbally

  4. he is mistreating your children, so that you have to watch his every move

  5. he has ground you down so much you think you need an inadequate husband and father like this in your life, and that you don't deserve better and your children should be subjected to his high handed crap

It's not looking good is it ? I reckon there is lots more too.

Rosa · 19/03/2012 12:58

Hmm why don't you come back and post again in a few weeks when the F4J thing has calmed down as your post sounds to me like its looking for everybody to 'gender hate' ...extra fuel for the fire etc etc ..
Very long first post as well.....

AnyFucker · 19/03/2012 13:06

really, rosa ? Confused

you haven't seen posts like this nearly every day on Mumsnet since pretty much it's inception ?

a shit person is a shit person, whatever the gender

this is a shit person described here

KnockersInATwist · 19/03/2012 13:10

Sorry Rosa I should have said at the start that I have namechanged for this as another of his quirks is that I think he is cyberstalking me. I have been here for a long time, since dc1 was born nearly 8 years ago, and have loved it ever since I registered. This is the first time I have been accused of trolling though!

Maybe people should not post anything vaguely critical about men until the F4J furore dies down.

DH is not a sneering, rude, out-of-control wierdo though and he is quite approachable and measured in public. Or even in private, hes not a shouty offensive launguage sort. But he is the opposite of this- he does sulk a lot and refuse to discuss with me things that I feel are important- so its hard when I am feeling hurt and cross about yet another snide comment about my weight, but I am unable to have a conversation about why this is with him as he point blank refuses. He is good at arguing the toss and making me feel like my points are ridiculous and that I am being unreasonable. Which is why this is in AIBU, because I am really struggling to tell!

I appreciate that this is all just one sided and I am probably a difficult person to live with (I do try not to be difficult, I like to think I am an undemanding and fairly easy going sort). I try hard to be supportive and tolerant and not a nagging harridan- but I am getting so so fed up of being so bloody reasonable all the sodding time. I want to be stroppy and demanding about what I want for a change.

I have asked him to come to counselling with me but he has refused. And got very cross when I said I wanted to go anyway. To be honest I think I know that he is being unreasonable and its not me, but I am frightened of the future and need to get up the courage to do something about it. The bit I am frightened about is not the bit after the divorce, where dc and I are in a new more harmonious place together, because this is the thought that sustains me! I have done my sums and I can just afford to rent (or buy depending on what we do with our finances upon divorcing) a little place that would suit us just fine. But it's the intervening period from when I tell him I want out, up until the point where the house is sold and all three of us are safely in the removals van with our goods and chattels going one way, and he is going the other- this is the bit that I am scared about. Having to deal with all that shit.

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AnyFucker · 19/03/2012 13:13

I think individual counselling is a great idea

KnockersInATwist · 19/03/2012 13:19

AF there is no way on hells earth that he would go to counselling alone. I sort of like the idea though of going by myself, and then seeing the look of surprise on his face when I tell him that I'm leaving anyway. He would be gobsmacked, because whilst he hates the idea of me talking to anyone about our relationship, if I do go to counselling I think he believes the aim will be to "fix" me.

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Rosa · 19/03/2012 13:19

AF - Yes but there has been a huge increase in the last 48 hrs - 1st posters all 'men hating' hence I suggested she might come back when this entire thing has calmed down - so more people will post genuine help rather than just name calling.

AnyFucker · 19/03/2012 13:23

Rosa, I genuinely don't beleive what is going on elsewhere on the site will affect the replies on this thread

if it really kicks off, like AIBU has always had a tendency to do, HQ will love it to Relationships

I don't think it's a good idea to try put posters off until a "better time" because many say it took a lot of time to screw up the courage to lay their relationship bare to strangers

this OP seems perfectly aware her H is going to be judged negatively here

AnyFucker · 19/03/2012 13:23

move it

Rosa · 19/03/2012 13:25

Ok

Shriekable · 19/03/2012 13:38

YANBU - sounds like my ex. The bit about being wary over money because of a money-grabbing ex - my ex was always v suspicious of me & accusing me of affairs because he said one of his exes cheated on him (a lie, I later found out - he just suspected her, too) He shouldnt be treating you this way based on past experiences. He sounds pretty awful, actually. If this was your friend's relationship, what would you advise her? Run for the hills probably! I worried about the emotional upheaval when I left, and yes, it wasn't great, but you know what? It gets better & better! I am happy now. My ex kept telling people that I would be back - 7 years on, I'm still not tempted! And he's not been in a long-term relationship since.

Thankgodforcaffeine · 19/03/2012 13:44

OP you sound very unhappy and it is easy to see why. Yours is not a nurturing relationship, and it is worrying that you are trying to change yourself in order not to upset your OH.

It seems like you already know that you need to leave, and to be honest I think the sooner the better.

Is there anywhere you and the DC can stay after you break the news to your husband?

Make sure you get legal advice too about what you are entitled to financially during that time, maybe try the CAB.

Good luck OP, I sincerely hope you and the DC get out of there soon and on to a happier life x

KnockersInATwist · 19/03/2012 13:45

The reason I posted in AIBU is because I knew I would get both sides of the argument. I am interested to hear if there are people out there who think I am being unreasonable as well as those who think that I am getting the rough end of the deal - because I really truly honestly cant tell. I dont know if everyone has relationships like this, where they feel like they have to be the one keeping the peace all the time. Because it makes me feel like I am squashing who I really am (not that I actually know anymore) and I am going slightly crazy as a result I think.

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OTheHugeManatee · 19/03/2012 13:46

Not often I say this, but leave the bastard.

KnockersInATwist · 19/03/2012 13:51

Thank you for replies. My last post was inresponse to Rosa who thought I was trolling.

Caffeine- I would try and avoid moving out with DC I think as I wouldnt want to disrupt their lives any more than strictly necessary (like its not going to be disrupted anyway :()

Plus I don't think I have any chance of him paying maintenance whilst divorce proceedings ongoing.

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MiladyGardenia · 19/03/2012 13:57

I cannot imagine that anyone would think you are being unreasonable, tbh.

I can't see any reason, from what you have said here, to stay with him. It all sounds so miserable.

I do understand your concerns about the period between telling him it's over and then you physically going your separate ways and you're right- it will be hard, emotionally. But - it will definitely be worth that small amount of discomfort for the long term gain of happiness and being able to be yourself.

AnyFucker · 19/03/2012 13:59

if the only reason you don't push for a separation is because you fear his reaction, and that he would punish you for it, then that is actually the biggest reason to do it

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