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AIBU to ditch him?

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KnockersInATwist · 19/03/2012 11:55

Finances are one of the things that case issues between dh and I. He refuses to pool earnings etc, and I dont really know what he earns as he is director of own company (probably about twice my income.) I am cautious about what I spend, as once its gone from each months paycheck thats it, I don't have a pool of cash just lying aobut that I can use. My money goes on bits and bobs for dc and I, trips out/ sometimes school lunches if I've forgotten the joint account chequebook etc. I cant afford (nor would want) to fritter my cash but at the same time I am not poverty stricken. (although last year before I'd had words with dh I was really really on my uppers and could not afford to get my desperately worn out shoes reheeld etc)

He can flash his cash and go to the horse racing for example and spend £150 on bets without thinking about it, in the same weekend as going and buying an expensive electrical item for £400.

Whilst he argues that the whole family would be able to use it, I know that really we would only be able to use it when he says we can, and if he wants to use it we would need to hand it over straight away. At the drop of a hat. And he couldn't understand why I thought that was unreasonable. And I cant really. But I know it rankles with me. I think its that if I wanted to spend £400 on something, (oh the very idea!) I would either have to save up for it all year (and the rest) or ask him for the money. And then there would be a discussion about why I wanted the item, whether it was a good idea, if he agreed I needed it etc and I'd have to present a whole sodding business case. Which if he finally agreed with, I'd be made to feel grateful for ever that he'd bought me the item. Whereas he can just go and decide to blow £400 on a whim. I don't get a say, and made to feel bad about raising it because he says "I never spend anything on myself, it all goes on the family, I'm entitled to spend some of the money I spend so hard working for on myself" . Which I dont disagree with in principle. This might sound like sour grapes and jealousy- it really isn't, its about equality and how I feel like a second class citizen in my own marriage.

He says that in a few years time when I've finished paying off my loan, I'll have a lot more spare cash. Which I will. But that loan has accumulated over the years from the period when I was earning more than him and so supported our family financially whilst he was establishing his career. He does not see why he should have to contribute towards it now. If I tell him I'm leaving, and this is one of the main reasons I would (the lack of equal treatment), I'm just going to look like a nasty grabby woman who is just after his money. When we met he said hed had his fingers burned by an ex who was just after his money (not that he had any anyway) and that he was lucky to find me who was not like all the other women he knew. And now he'll just say that I'm going to prove him right.

Other things we have wrong- sex isn't great, just around his fantasies mainly, which I tend to join in with and maybe thats my fault because if I join in its over quicker. And I am a v good actress so I dont think he knows I'm not into it after all. But its not my cup of tea really. I have tried to discuss this with him because he gets terribly defensive and sulks for days on end.

He's also unkind about me physically. Nothing in particular wrong I didn't think but I do carry extra weight, my boobs are (understandably!) a bit on the saggy side after bfing 2 children, I don't shave my legs often enough and I bite my nails. I am under no illusions that I am a disapppointment to him in the looks department.

I think he tends to bully the dc a tiny bit, but I am really wary of this and pull him up on it if I dont think something feels right. He does adore them, though he does get very frustrated and expects them to be v obedient. Hence my radar on alert as they are yr2/preschool and so only little still. Again he sulks if I tell him I think he's being out of order, strops off and refuses to disuss it further.

I dream of leaving him, but I am terrified of the emotional upheaval- I dont deal terribly well with emotional stuff because he can be a bit dismissive when it comes to how I feel and so I just try very hard not to feel stuff at all. Hence Im not very well practiced at it. I think that if I did I am just going to be painted as a terrible wife and mum for leaving over such insignificant things and I don't know if I'm brave enough to deal with all that.

Of course there are good things about him but I can't focus on those at the moment, only the things that hurt me.

Mumsnet is normally such a good barometer for stuff like this. I had considered putting this in relationships, there is such excellent advice there, but I know that here in AIBU you pull no punches.

Would I BU to ditch his sorry arse?

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wineandroses · 20/03/2012 15:44

I have a friend who is in the middle of planning her wedding this year. Her fiance sounds like your DH. Won't divulge what he earns (though apparently it's "at least 8 x what she earns"), wants her to match penny for penny every cost/bill/deposit for house etc, plays games with her head, says things like "you think too much" and "don't worry your little head about it". He wants her to sell her house but doesn't want to sell any of his "property portfolio". He still lives with his mum and expects my friend to move in with them. His mum is quite rude to friend and her family; fiance never corrects her.

So many red flags. Friend is nervous about it but thinks all will be well, so won't even consider postponing wedding (which is actually happening earlier than originally planned, at his behest). I really fear for her. I think she is marrying a deceitful, manipulative bully - just like you have.

AnyFucker · 20/03/2012 17:26

wine your post about your friend has made my blood run cold

FetchezLaVache · 20/03/2012 17:32

OP, have you posted about this before under a different name, coming back after a mammoth gaslighting session full and frank chat with him about the situation, saying he'd explained that he paid for lots of things you hadn't been fully aware of and you'd actually be worse off if you each paid a proportion of your income into the pot?

Wine- do you think there's any chance you could get your friend to come on here? That's a horrible situation, she's making a massive mistake.

KnockersInATwist · 20/03/2012 22:37

I know that rationally and logically you are all right. But I am doubting myself so much, as in any conversation with him I know that it will be me who is made to look like the unreasonable one, all my points will be ridiculous and over-exaggerated and I am really scared about the fallout of telling him I want a divorce. He has never hit me but I am scared.

Fetchez- Blush

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FetchezLaVache · 20/03/2012 22:52

I'm so sorry that nothing's changed for you, but just to pull you up on something in your OP- these are NOT insignificant things.

Are you scared he'll hit you? Do you have anyone you and the DCs could stay with in the short term?

KnockersInATwist · 20/03/2012 23:00

But they are insignificant in our relationship because its the norm. And normal things, that dont get much airtime because they are just, well, run of the mill, are not the ones that its reasonable to break up about.

Im not really sure what im scared about. Im feeling paranoid and my spidey senses are on red alert- weird.

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WhereYouLeftIt · 20/03/2012 23:55

Knockers, your H sounds incredibly self-centred, and every time you post again I become more convinced that you should divorce him just as soon as you can. He's been chipping away at your self-esteem for most of your adult life, so I can appreciate that you are finding it difficult to make the break.

"I appreciate that this is all just one sided and I am probably a difficult person to live with (I do try not to be difficult, I like to think I am an undemanding and fairly easy going sort)." This horrified me. People who are 'difficult' NEVER accept that they are (it is always the rest of the world that is out of step), whereas you have been uniformly apologetic for not wanting to be treated badly. So I'm guessing you think you're difficult because someone has repeatedly told you so. I wonder who that could be, hmm?

He is selfish with money. He is selfish with sex. He bullies the children (he frankly sees them - and you - as accessories, not people). He has gaslighted you. You need him to be gone.

AnyFucker · 21/03/2012 00:24

knockers, the more you post about this man, the more he chills me

Tiddlyompompom · 21/03/2012 01:03

Knockers in your OP you said about him thinking his ex was a gold digger - I bet if she was around to tell her side, she probably just asked or insisted on something reasonable, like splitting a bill proportionately to income or something! He sounds quite fixated on money, so I imagine his version of events would be twisted to fit his view of how things 'should be'.

Please don't waste headspace trying to justify things so they make sense to him, there's no way you can win with him.
Put it down on paper if you need to, but be clear in your own mind about what you want for yourself and your children and why that won't happen with him. Don't enter into a debate with him about why your reasons are valid - he simply won't accept that you have a point.

You say 'it's the norm' as if that makes it ok, but it just means its ok for him. I think someone else said upthread 'what would you advise a friend who described this situation to you?', and you know you'd be saying what we all are.

You know he'll just belittle you into staying if you try to discuss the issues like equals. He doesn't treat you like an equal, and I don't think you can persuade him otherwise after all this time.

You just need to make your decision, and then act on it. Very easy for me to type that, not so easy for you to do it - I'm sorry I'm not there to support you in RL. Thanks for luck

LesserOfTwoWeevils · 21/03/2012 01:51

He sounds horrible.
He's abusive.
That's the only reason why you are wondering if YABU.
You don't have to produce a set of reasons for wanting to leave that are "good enough" to persuade him.
You don't need his permission or agreement.
You don't have to win that argument.
The fact that you want to leave is a good enough reason.

oikopolis · 21/03/2012 02:16

he sounds so awful. oh my God. really just dreadful.

being single is LOVELY. i am happily married but have many single friends, some with children, who transformed with happiness when they left their horrid spouses.

the only reason you are afraid is because he's been very careful to ensure that you're afraid. so that you won't leave. you're obviously a convenience that he doesn't want to lose. but do you really want to be someone's convenience??

please don't be like my mother and stay with a man just because you can't bear being alone. i could never respect her or see her as an equal, because she put up with such shit just out of lack of confidence. i wanted a good relationship with my mother but i simply could not be around her or take her seriously, because she refused to take herself seriously...

oikopolis · 21/03/2012 02:17

and i agree with others, what conversation is there to have?

you don't need his approval to leave him. do you realise that? you can just do it because YOU think it's a good idea, or because YOU want to. his opinion on the matter is immaterial.

Iheartpasties · 21/03/2012 03:37

He sounds quite mean spirited wrt money, you sounds down trodden. yanbu.

Val007 · 21/03/2012 04:04

he was lucky to find me who was not like all the other women he knew

Of course he was SO SO lucky to have found you!
As no other normal woman would stand the abuse he is giving you.

And you have children?!... There is no family in the picture you described... Just a batchelor using your services for free and enjoying life as he pleases at your expense.

And, dear woman, the reason you wish to leave him for is NOT a minor one. It is MAJOR. Give him an ultimatum and stick to it!

Val007 · 21/03/2012 04:10

Oh, and this is how money is organised in our family: we both put EVERYTHING in the potty (so to speak). Then everyone spends as much as needed on bills and personal expenses. We NEVER question any of each other's expenses because we believe that we are grown up people who have enough brains to use them wisely and we work together for a joint goal - our family's welfare.

HesterBurnitall · 21/03/2012 04:15

I remember your story, you've posted it before and he's every bit of the controlling, manipulative, selfish arse he was then. I'm sorry you're still with him and still putting up with this.

He must have really, really got under your skin for you to be wondering if this is bad enough to go and caring for a second about proving him right or what he'd think of you for leaving.

mathanxiety · 21/03/2012 04:59

Basically you are married but he is not.

Nothing you have said is promising. You are being gaslighted and treated like an underling who provides sexual services by a very selfish and controlling man. There is nothing in this for you, really.

It is going to be hard for you to track down his financial details and he sounds like the sort who has his money well hidden. See what you can find out about his financial situation. He will be required to make disclosures for the sake of providing for the children in the event that you separate. However, you need to get your hands on the information you need first, so that you can compare. If he has a computer that he uses at home, maybe you could get a keylogger (not very expensive but then I don't know your finances) and find out passwords, etc? Here's a blog to steel you. This is what you are dealing with.

Don't bother with conversations. Just keep your head down and work towards freedom. You are not free right now. You are living in a prison. All the self doubt and second guessing comes about because he is wearing you down daily. The form of domestic abuse you are being subjected to is being done in order to completely dominate you. Get 'Should I Stay or Should I Go' by Lundy Bancroft and go through the exercises. Think and reflect and feel. Be brutally honest. Do not do joint exercises with this man or let him know you are reading material like this.

It is very hard to get the momentum going when you are contemplating a move like the one you have in mind, and I bet you are not a little afraid of what he will do, etc. Be kind to yourself and do not start calling yourself a wimp or an idiot, whatever. Take the steps you need to take to take care of you and your children here. Start with the little steps. Knowing in your heart of hearts that it is over is not the same as taking the step of leaving or filing divorce papers.

ilikecandyandrunning · 21/03/2012 06:15

Can you post in legal too to see if anyone can offer any legal advice? It really does seem you are better off out. My friend left a similar relationship and now she has, she can't believe she didn't do it sooner.

AutumnSummers · 21/03/2012 07:04

I'd tell him if he starts getting shirty with you (Calling you a drama queen / saying that you're BU) that you're not saying what you're saying to debate it. Tell him that it doesn't matter how he feels about how you feel because you're tired of being belittled. Tell him that it's up to him how partonising he wants to be but that it will likely have a direct effect on your choices henceforth. He sounds like an absolute prat.

AutumnSummers · 21/03/2012 07:23

Also, him not declaring his income to you is very much grounds for divorce. Unreasonable behaviour and deception. So sorry you're having to deal with this.

LyssaM · 21/03/2012 07:58

You don't need a reason to break up. Seriously. All you need to do is tell him that it isn't working for you. He cannot stop you breaking up, even if you don't give a thirty page Power Point presentation. The less you tell him, the less ammunition you give him.

Okay, in a functional relationship, the more you say the better, but this doesn't sound functional. And normally it is nice to have a reason for doing things or you feel like you are insane (I am not as random as you haddock broccoli) but there is no legal requirement to provide a reason to leave a relationship. You can just go.

And if he wants you to stay - that's up to him to work out, work at and sort out. It really is now his problem if he wants to save things, you've done your time at the coal face for that. (hint - never ask for anything but look faintly disappointed at anything he suggests and then change the subject).

Good luck!

btw - spidey senses are there for a reason. If he thinks you may be considering going he will not be happy. If particular tactics of his have worked in the past (long tales of grabby women etc) expect to see those tactics reappear.

KnockersInATwist · 21/03/2012 14:09

I know in my heart that leaving is something I have to do. Now the issue is knowing when to do it. I know that there will never be a ?good? time- what do I need to do beforehand? On previous advice I have been accumulating copies of his business/ personal bank statements as well as having stashed dcs passports and the log books for our cars (he has a number, one is quite expensive that I am sure he will sign over to his dad to avoid including the value in the divorce settlement).

He is away this weekend so I have a bit of time to prepare things.

My heart is beating so fast as I type this, Im at work but the idea of taking action is thrilling (in a scary thriller way not an excited thrilled way)

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FetchezLaVache · 21/03/2012 15:25

Good for you, Knockers!

He has several cars and you have to go cap in hand to him to have your shoes resoled? He's not a nice man. But you already know this. I wish you all the best of luck.

PiedWagtail · 21/03/2012 18:59

Oh, he sounds horrible - bullying, unkind, mean and ungenerous. Is he physically perfect himself, that he criticises you?? I bet not! Angry

So, have a big chat with him, tell him you want to be treated well and equally in your relatonship and that includes sharing money fairly (it makes me Angry[ to think he wouldn't just DO this automatically - what a twat). If he sulks or blusters or tries to make you feel you're making it all up, leave him. And I don't say that often.

hugs OP. You can do it and you deserve so much more in a relationship. So do your dc. (And the CSA would make him support you financially.)

janelikesjam · 21/03/2012 19:12

All women are money-grabbing bitches, but you're just "fat" Hmm

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