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AIBU to ditch him?

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KnockersInATwist · 19/03/2012 11:55

Finances are one of the things that case issues between dh and I. He refuses to pool earnings etc, and I dont really know what he earns as he is director of own company (probably about twice my income.) I am cautious about what I spend, as once its gone from each months paycheck thats it, I don't have a pool of cash just lying aobut that I can use. My money goes on bits and bobs for dc and I, trips out/ sometimes school lunches if I've forgotten the joint account chequebook etc. I cant afford (nor would want) to fritter my cash but at the same time I am not poverty stricken. (although last year before I'd had words with dh I was really really on my uppers and could not afford to get my desperately worn out shoes reheeld etc)

He can flash his cash and go to the horse racing for example and spend £150 on bets without thinking about it, in the same weekend as going and buying an expensive electrical item for £400.

Whilst he argues that the whole family would be able to use it, I know that really we would only be able to use it when he says we can, and if he wants to use it we would need to hand it over straight away. At the drop of a hat. And he couldn't understand why I thought that was unreasonable. And I cant really. But I know it rankles with me. I think its that if I wanted to spend £400 on something, (oh the very idea!) I would either have to save up for it all year (and the rest) or ask him for the money. And then there would be a discussion about why I wanted the item, whether it was a good idea, if he agreed I needed it etc and I'd have to present a whole sodding business case. Which if he finally agreed with, I'd be made to feel grateful for ever that he'd bought me the item. Whereas he can just go and decide to blow £400 on a whim. I don't get a say, and made to feel bad about raising it because he says "I never spend anything on myself, it all goes on the family, I'm entitled to spend some of the money I spend so hard working for on myself" . Which I dont disagree with in principle. This might sound like sour grapes and jealousy- it really isn't, its about equality and how I feel like a second class citizen in my own marriage.

He says that in a few years time when I've finished paying off my loan, I'll have a lot more spare cash. Which I will. But that loan has accumulated over the years from the period when I was earning more than him and so supported our family financially whilst he was establishing his career. He does not see why he should have to contribute towards it now. If I tell him I'm leaving, and this is one of the main reasons I would (the lack of equal treatment), I'm just going to look like a nasty grabby woman who is just after his money. When we met he said hed had his fingers burned by an ex who was just after his money (not that he had any anyway) and that he was lucky to find me who was not like all the other women he knew. And now he'll just say that I'm going to prove him right.

Other things we have wrong- sex isn't great, just around his fantasies mainly, which I tend to join in with and maybe thats my fault because if I join in its over quicker. And I am a v good actress so I dont think he knows I'm not into it after all. But its not my cup of tea really. I have tried to discuss this with him because he gets terribly defensive and sulks for days on end.

He's also unkind about me physically. Nothing in particular wrong I didn't think but I do carry extra weight, my boobs are (understandably!) a bit on the saggy side after bfing 2 children, I don't shave my legs often enough and I bite my nails. I am under no illusions that I am a disapppointment to him in the looks department.

I think he tends to bully the dc a tiny bit, but I am really wary of this and pull him up on it if I dont think something feels right. He does adore them, though he does get very frustrated and expects them to be v obedient. Hence my radar on alert as they are yr2/preschool and so only little still. Again he sulks if I tell him I think he's being out of order, strops off and refuses to disuss it further.

I dream of leaving him, but I am terrified of the emotional upheaval- I dont deal terribly well with emotional stuff because he can be a bit dismissive when it comes to how I feel and so I just try very hard not to feel stuff at all. Hence Im not very well practiced at it. I think that if I did I am just going to be painted as a terrible wife and mum for leaving over such insignificant things and I don't know if I'm brave enough to deal with all that.

Of course there are good things about him but I can't focus on those at the moment, only the things that hurt me.

Mumsnet is normally such a good barometer for stuff like this. I had considered putting this in relationships, there is such excellent advice there, but I know that here in AIBU you pull no punches.

Would I BU to ditch his sorry arse?

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SofaKing · 19/03/2012 14:07

You are not being unreasonable.
I would second the idea of individual counselling, it may help you cope with the period of time after you tell him you are splitting up- remember however bad that will be, once it is finished you won't have to live with him ever again.
Do you have any support in rl?

Goawaybob · 19/03/2012 14:15

Do you still love him? It doesn't sound like you do actually - that is not a criticism, just a statement of fact. I think you would be much happier away from this man tbh.

KnockersInATwist · 19/03/2012 14:27

Sofaking- no rl support to speak of, most friends are at arms length because he makes it difficult for me (or am i just a pushover in that I don't stand up for what I want more?) to maintain close friendships by getting a bit stroppy if Im going out. Family geographically close but don't understand what my problem is.

Goawaybob- I don't think I do. We have a huge amount of shared history, met when I was 18, 17 years together 10 married, but I look forward to the days when he is not at home/away for the weekend/ out for the evening as dc and I seem so much more relaxed. There are no eggshells to fear crushing or rules to be adhered to (well, some, but good ones not ones that he's just made up !). Its so much more harmonious. Hes going away this weekend too, yippee! I am already thinking about how nice it will be.

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Kaluki · 19/03/2012 15:43

That is your answer knickers!
Life is better without him in it.
You have answered your own question!
You don't have to justify it to anyone or have it approved. You aren't happy with him and life is too short to waste on a man like his Sad

Kaluki · 19/03/2012 15:44

Oh my goodness!!!
Knockers not knickers!!!
Predictive text gets me into so much trouble.
I'm so sorry!!!!

AnyFucker · 19/03/2012 15:48

Smile @ knickers

mistlethrush · 19/03/2012 15:55

Knockers - going back to your original set of questions - of course it is completely unreasonable for you to be paying off the loan that was only required because you were supporting him in his business start-up period.

Its like the household running up debts whilst one of the partners is at university - then the one that has been supporting them and is in a less well-paid job having to take on all the responsibility of that debt whilst the graduate gets a nice shiny job with more money coming in but doesn't contribute. Not fair at all. Not a partnership - more of a step up to be trodden down....

You're clearly happier when he's not there - if counselling will help you to take the plunge, sounds a good idea.

ParsleyTheLioness · 19/03/2012 16:03

Not all abusive men are shouty, obviously angry, socially inept people. In fact I suspect that the 'obvious' ones are in the minority. That's how they suck you in, because you would have run for the hills very early on if it was that obvious. Take it from one who knows, albeit having come to this realisation late in the day...

KnockersInATwist · 19/03/2012 16:18

I actually tried for KnickersInATwist but someone already had it ;)

And my knockers are in a twist as well as my knickers so it seemed appropriate.

Kaluki you are so right. Life is too short to spend with someone that does not make you happy, whatever the reason. I am really scared about taking the plunge though. I know this sounds a bit pathetic and martyr-ish, but I am very very unused to putting my needs first, I am so reasonable normally. I said upthread about wanting to be stroppy and demanding and this is what I mean- I need to be selfish for a change, but being the one who does something that is going to hurt another isn't a comfy place to be in.

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AnyFucker · 19/03/2012 16:22

no, it isn't a comfy place and that is how he is controlling you

Kaluki · 19/03/2012 16:26

He is hurting you though! He is cleverly making you feel guilty when his actions are causing this.
I think counselling is an excellent idea for you to get your self esteem back. You deserve better than this - you just need to be able to see that for yourself.

SofaKing · 19/03/2012 16:42

It doesn't sound pathetic to want to stay the way you are. It sounds like you are with a controlling person who has socially isolated you and trapped you into putting up with their unreasonable behaviour by insisting it is normal and you are the one in the wrong.

Please call it a day. It will be hard, but it will get harder the longer you leave it as you will doubt yourself more. Also your kids are growing up seeing his behaviour towards you, and the last thing you want is for them to think it is normal behaviour.

KnockersInATwist · 19/03/2012 16:45

Thanks all. What is hard is that he will say I making his controlling ways up- "You felt you couldn't go out? Why on earth not? Thats you with a problem not me, how on earth could I make it hard for you to go out? I didn't bar the door did I!"

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nobutyeahbut · 19/03/2012 16:50

knockers you say it youself you are happier when he is not there.

He sounds mean and unkind, emotionally, financially and sexually.

You deserve better than that, good luck.

AnyFucker · 19/03/2012 16:53

He gaslights you

Inadequate fucker. He can't even satisfy you in bed because his selfishness gets in the way of that too.

Angelico · 19/03/2012 17:09

Sorry to hear about your situation. Your H doesn't sound evil, just selfish and self-centred. I think he knows that at some level, hence avoiding counselling. Maybe you need to lay it on the line and tell him how unhappy you are and insist on counselling.

Goawaybob · 19/03/2012 17:45

To be honest, why bother with counselling, if you wanted to make the marriage work then yes, but i think its going beyond that. DP and i went through a rough patch, he never did want counselling, but i had it, im not sure if it helped or not, that was a while back, we stuck at it and we are now fine, but i never felt the way you do, i always wanted to be with him, couldn't imagine life without him. Thats the difference.

AF - what does gaslighting mean? Ive seen that on a few threads and never known what it means

AnyFucker · 19/03/2012 21:03

bob, have a gander here

plutocrap · 19/03/2012 21:32

What a sad situation.

If you need to help yourself be more demanding, stand up for what is fair, ask to be treated kindly instead of rudely and selfishly, use your children to cpnvince yourself, to bolster your confidence whenever you doubt yourself. They depend on you (evidently not on their father), and you are already trying to protect them from him. Why not go the whole hog and declare that they shouldn't have to live this miserable life, either?

Seabright · 19/03/2012 22:45

If he's the director of his own company he's going to be able to vary his income, taking some as dividends, rather than normal income, so you need to start collecting evidence of his financial situation as comprehensively as possible, in case you do separate/divorce

Tiddlyompompom · 19/03/2012 23:57

Having lived with a stepdad like this for 10 years, I'd say leaving him will only benefit your children. Walking on eggshells constantly in your own home is a horrible way to live, and as they get older it will really affect their behaviour and maybe how they treat their own future relationships.

None of my SDs friends accepted that he wasn't perfectly wonderful, going as far as shouting abuse at my mum in the street for leaving him. Only the two people in the relationship really know how their relationship is, and as you so have so eloquently pointed out - even those two can have wildly different viewpoints. Just saying - be prepared for people to be stunned that you've left him!

Seabright makes a good point re finances, and I think it'd be a good idea to get all other practical considerations in order before you tell him, so you've got some concrete plans to hang on to.
If you can, try to leave while you still appreciate his good points, it might help keep future contact re your DCs civil.

Good luck!

CaramelisedOnion · 20/03/2012 11:03

Leave him he sounds really nasty.

KnockersInATwist · 20/03/2012 12:53

But what if I?m making a gargantuan mistake and I?m not better off without him? At the moment he?s the devil I know which is better than the devil I don?t, i.e. being single. What if the bits I imagine to be so nice about being single (no eggshells to be wary of, no decisions/rules that I think are unreasonable for the children but that we adhere to because dh says I am not considering his views otherwise, not feeling so set adrift alone because the one person who I thought was supposed to be my ?backstop?, who should catch me if I fall, isn?t interested really in whether I am happy) don?t make up for the downsides? (the no sounding board, no person to bounce ideas off, nobody to share worries about the dc with stuff). This is the bits that scare me, what if I am cutting my nose off to spite myself?

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AnyFucker · 20/03/2012 13:47

your upsides and downsides completely contradict each other, did you realise that ?

a "sounding board" who maes you walk on eggshells, who makes you edit what you sound off about is no sounding board at all

the person you share worries with shouldn't enforce his own rules

the person who isn't interested in whether you happy is not someone you can trust to catch you if you fall

MissFaversham · 20/03/2012 14:49

OP the man controls you in so many ways. Money, emotion, and sexually

He doesn't have to scream and shout.

He's obviously a subtle one, putting you down slowly but surely.

If course the arse won't go to separate councilling. DONT suggest going together either, he's a manipulator and will do this in the sessions and fuck your head up even more. Go yourself for YOU.

Get out sweetheart, you deserve far better than this.

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