To think the govt are purposefully trying to keep the poor down?

[Alltheseboys]

Seems like with all these cuts the govt are deliberately trying to keep the working class down?

And i have said it many times, but will continue to say it until I am blue in the face:
The VAST majority of people on Benefits ARE WORKING.

true dreamingsun-they don't care much for the middle either. Just their super rich mates basically.

Hecuba - what happens when YOU run the figures through turn2us? What does it SAY you are entitled to. On a low part time income and JSA, you ARE entitled to a lot of help. HB, council tax benefit, ctcs, child benefit etc. It is untrue to say people keep telling you you are not.

So either you are making it up, you are not telling the full story, or you need to INSIST to the powers that be that they provide you with what you should be getting. Months back you were insisting that your dh wasn/t entitled to JSA. Well, that just wasn't true. Going on your numbers, you earn about £60 - £70 a week after tax. You ARE entitled to more benefits. I don't care what you say. So bloody sort it out - or get your DH to do it if you struggle with dealing with people on the phone etc.

nowthen - but maybe some aren't working enough - eg the mum i've just been with, you's employer has asked her to work extra hours who wouldn't because it affected her benefits.

The VAST majority of people on Benefits ARE WORKING.
Does that not sound as wrong to your ears as it does to mine ?
I am sure you are correct but the point is those who are working should not require benefits and that is the crux of the matter, employers need to start paying people to work for them.

NowThenWreck you at not fucking poor

People in SUdan are poor people in north korea are poor they would be able to afford the first pair of shoes let lone think about replacements

Heres betting you have a tv, cooker washing machine ECt you are not poor unless it was you on tv with the starving child who had walked 12 days to a red cross shelter of discovery channel

( I thought not)

That is the problem in the uk are lives are so pampered if we have to out with out creature comforts we think we're star ing enchants

If you really think this givemrnt is committed to doing down the poor I suggest you live in the Congo for spell I think you might just get a reailty check

Add message | Report | Message poster NowThenWreck Sun 18-Mar-12 17:40:59
And i have said it many times, but will continue to say it until I am blue in the face:
The VAST majority of people on Benefits ARE WORKING.
The system more like

Heswall - I DO agree that people who are working, particularly when they are working FT, should NOT need top up benefits to survive. The system is fucked up when people cannot keep an average family on the average wage.

Really dreamingsun? OK, I am not saying there are not occasionally people like that (although I dont know any) but most people I know are trying to get more hours-and can't because there is no money to pay anyone.
I would love to work more, but I can't find something that fits in with my current job (and I freelance at home too).
All the part time jobs I come across are evenings and weekends, which I can't do.
Even if I could, there is no public transport after about 6 pm where I live, so getting home would be tricky.
Even having said that, my friend has been around all the local pubs, and you wouldnt believe how many people they get EVERY DAY asking for work.
Some people say things like "oh just get a job stacking shelves"
Ha!
Those jobs are highly sought after. It's not that easy to find work, it genuinely isn't.

Heswall Benfits need to be lower and minimum wage higher The gap between working in greggs and getting Benfits should be so stark you would have to be a mentalist to say of welfare but sadly labour had it so the lower paid eared less than the people on the dole so why would any one be motivated to find work

Portofino-it's not the system thats fucked-it's the cost of housing.

If I earn 16 k a year, which where I live is a full time job in an office for example, my rent would take half of that in one fell swoop.

We are at the end of a game of Monopoly. They have 'won'. Whatever 'winning' means.

I agree it all boils down to rent/house prices

Heswall - agree. Employers need to pay their employees properly, so that the employees can actually LIVE on it.

This will reduce profits at the top, but then the FTSE 100 chief execs got a 49% pay rise last year so they should be quite fine.

NowThenWreck not really some parts of the uk are stupidly cheap you pay the price for living in a city But saying that controlled rent wouldn't go a miss

Mr BoJangles-you actually can't get more money on the dole than working.You will always get slightly more-maybe not a lot, but slightly.

Working the system? If I have 2 jobs, and am still struggling to live and feed me and my child, then I guess I am not that great at working the system.

I dont live in a city.
And the stupidly cheap places HAVE NO WORK OR PUBLIC TRANSPORT.

With salaries at the top measuring in the £ millions, companies can afford to pay their staff better wages, rather than creaming everything off for themselves.

Hiding this thread and going to do something more productive than banging my head against a brick wall.

Both Minimum wage and job seekers allowance have had below average rises for the last 15 years.

This means those in low wages have sunk further and further into poverty.

ChickenLickn why will they when they know that they will Benfits to top it all up

The growth of the state under labour help employers get out of their duties to teir workers when tax credits came in they rubbed their hands with glee and said now we can keep the wages low for the govermnt will see my worker right

The goverment should say its not our job to meet the low pay of your staff and then when all the staff leave because they can't support themselves on the wage they will have to re think

most people in the UK work for small companies so forget CEOs & their millions.

NowThenWreck well you just said their is no work in the city's and you can't afford the transport

So it won't matter any way a least the rent will be cheap

"The goverment should say its not our job to meet the low pay of your staff and then when all the staff leave because they can't support themselves on the wage they will have to re think"

Yes - this is right. However to avoid the hardship this will cause, the government can ease companies off benefits by increasing the minimum wage to a wage people can afford to live on.

I agree too that this is mostly to do with house prices.