To think the govt are purposefully trying to keep the poor down?

[Alltheseboys]

Seems like with all these cuts the govt are deliberately trying to keep the working class down?

Yes we are, a bit.

Fot others who said its feasible to manage on JSA. What about a single person? I fail to see how anyone can live off approx £65.00 per week.

A single person on JSA with no other housing costs or council tax bills, just themselves to feed can manage very well on £65.00 IMO or getting a fucking job.

I was with you up until the last phrase Heswall. People need to realise that these days that 'just get a job'isn't that simple. Most unemployed people try very hard to get a job. If you are referring to an individual whom you know doesn't bother to try and get work then fair enough.

So how can a person on £65 per week pay a £200 gas bill out of that. Or £80 electricity.
Please also tell me how they can get a job when the only jobs available are part time. With a part time job she would probably be no better off as would also have to pay rent and council tax. This person is not idle. She started work at 16. Worked for a company for 20 years. Until she was made redundent. Spent a number of years living off redundency pay and not claiming benefits. She even has to pay £4 every two week on fares just to sign on as they closed the office in her home town. The kind staff at the benefits office attitude was well so we. The difference being that they are actually paid to work there.
She is also not idle as does about 12 hours truly voluntary work each week.

YABU people who have not job and have been claming the dole for. Number of years are NOT WORKING class and I for one don't wish to be placed in th same bracket as these people

We have whole family's grans,mothers and now daughter who have never worked thnks to labour and the roll up roll up get your Benfits here culture

Don't dare put those people in the same bracket as working class people

Proud people who have always worked and would rather starve than go cap in hand to the goverment and would never dare have children if they thought for one moment that state would be effectivly raising them

Btw I hate tax dodgers as well namely the guardian which is a tax avoider which is ironic as that's we're most of the leftys get their frothy information from

The only people who can seem to afford having lots of children today are dole people and tax avoiders gurrrrr

Both are as bad as the other both keeping money that is not rightfully there's and expecting muggings the tax payer to cover their greed in the tax avoiders case and in the
Laybaouts case their idleness

FYI I don't I've a shit for biscuits or those who don't agree if yu want a chorus or yes I agree go to net mums

Thank god IDS got his bill made in to law

scarborough84 get two part time jobs like most hard working people would

Hecubasdaughter funny that poles and people who are NOT entitled to clamin always seem to find work went to harvester today a girl who had been in London only 6 months managed to get a job said the job had been vacant for nearly a year.

And we did have companies giving work experince but the lazy bones wanted dole and pay getting somthing down on your cv wasn't enough

scarborough84 and yet many stay on job seekers for 10 years can be that bad

Many working people come home with a lot less after their bills are paid

Hecubas, your posts make me believe even more that there is something missing from what you posted. If you were financially struggling as much as you say you are, you wouldn't give up that easily. You wouldn't be able to afford to. You wouldnt just say that you tried phoning and entering a few numbers into a website and then come across like you have given up. I think you either have more income than you are letting on, or there is a very valid reason you don't get more.

scarborough84 I feel for your friend.

My brother is single, no kids, has a mortgage. If he lost his job he'd be royally screwed once his savings had gone.

Look at what someone like he (or scarborough's friend) can claim and then appreciate how good the welfare state is to people with children, whether they are in p/t or low paid work or don't work at all. There's just no comparison and it's utterly unfair.

Mrbojangles1 what would you call these people then. I have lots of kids & don't live off the state. You make some very sweeping generalisations.

Even if your income goes down wtc is based on the previous tax year. So even if you do qualify you would still not get anything if you were over the threshold last year. Also if your partner works and you loose your job you are not always entitled to JSA. So people who have contributed all their life may find themselves without a chance of getting anything when needed.

Alltheseboys if you work and have kids you are working class
If you don't work and have lots of kids you are not working class

Someone who works eg builder shop assistant = working class

Somone who draws dole has no job never had one = somthing else but they don't work hard and have no right to be called working class

The only reason a single person would run up a £200 gas bill is if they were living in a tropical state 24/7. We are a family of 6 with the central heating on 6 hours a day in a 4 bed detached and my gas and electric is £175 a month and the tumble drier and washing machine pretty much work no stop.

So I haven't found a job yet because I haven't tried. Really? you really think so how nice of you. So you include me in the category of lifetime doler? or am I in some other category.

I have been looking for either a second part time job or a full time job for about 2 months now. I very lazily took a few weeks to recover from an EMCS, DH has been hunting for 4 months. Last week I got my first reply, a rejection.. I do rule out some part time jobs, not through laziness though just my inability to be 2 places at once.

Dealing with Ctc people is like banging your head against a wall so I have been trying to concentrate on job hunting.

If your income has changed dramatically they do re calculated the income for this year rather than take into account last years earnings, it's only if you are lucky enough to have a £10,000 pay rise it has any influence on this years figures.

www.pcs.org.uk/en/campaigns/campaign-resources/there-is-an-alternative-the-case-against-cuts-in-public-spending.cfm
This govt want to get rid of the entire Welfare State - education through tuition fees and academies, benefits through dehmonising 'scroungers', NHS through the Health & Social Care Bill. All aimed to privatise public services

i dont like george osbourne but cleaning up this tax loophole is not the act of a govt 'purposefully trying to keep the poor down'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17420646

Hecubasdaughter I don't know how long you been unemployed

I agree with HESWELL my electric come on twice a day we have our washer on only after 7 when is cheapest and we all have adult babygrows for when is cold my heating is no were near £200 a month and we are a famil of four a d I work from home

The thing is though; we were in a really shitty position when Brown left office. The decisions that had to be made were therefore a lot harder. You have to make cutbacks, and it's NEVER going to affect the rich as much, because they are rich. You can't just keep spending into oblivion to get yourself out of debt.

Dh has been unemployed 4 mon and I work part time.

mrbojangles I find the idea that a person can have a lot of children and be considered to be 'not working' hilarious. Caring for children is exhausting and very valuable work. If nobody did it, there would be nobody to carefor you when you are old or disabled.

WasabiTillyMinto agreed also I read in the telegraph that the optimum tax rate before people start avoiding or dogging whatever you want to call it is 20% country's that have this type of tax rate almost have no invasion

People should pay more in porotion to what they earn but you could argue they should pay less and dolers should pay more

If we look at the resourse that the top earners use it minimal compared to the bottom

They seldom use the NHS
Have private school don't often use public transport
And less likey to be a perpetrator of crime so will have less contact with courts, police probation,prison

In some ways you could
Agrue the people who actually use these services the most should pay the most towards them.

I all for everyone paying their fair share but their are only so far you can puch people to pay for services they don't actally use

We could have 20% of everything of like the bad old days 70% of nothing

If we are all in this together than the 50% tax must stay or be replaced with a mansion tax... Could,be better as may be more difficult to avoid paying :)
Having heard a friend complain that they are struggling with 50 % tax... Two homes, very very posh cars etc.. I have very little sympathy. There are working people who are really struggling to feed children, pay bills.
I hate this governent and hope that child benefit and top rate tax finish them off.

WasabiTillyMinto so your not unemployed are you

Can you not try childminding or sitting service that alway need people

JuliaScurr PCS propaganda is hardly unbiased, reasonable debate though, is it.

The public sector grew by a massive proportion under Labour, which has done wonders for the PCS.

Obviously they're opposed to ANYTHING which reduces the huge burden we're left with as it directly affects them and their coffers.