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Where is the fucking justice for Trayvon Martin? a 17 year old INNOCENT CHILD shot to death simply because he was walking in his father's gated community.

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chewchewmeaw · 17/03/2012 19:10

Why in gods hell has that MURDERER not been arrested?

Are they looking for riots? they will happen if Zimmerman is not brought to justice. I am so sickened by this.

I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't heard this story yet - very slow in reporting it.

He was begging for his life': Family's anger as police finally play 911 calls made by neighborhood watch captain who shot black teen

Trayvon Martin,17, was shot dead by George Zimmerman, 28, last month, who claims the killing was self defense and has not been charged
Police finally gave into mounting pressure on Friday and released eight 911 calls
The teen's family say the calls show Zimmerman was the 'aggressor' not Trayvon

The police have finally released the 911 calls made in relation to the killing of an unarmed black teenager who was shot by a white neighborhood watch captain.

George Zimmerman, 28, had called 911 to report a suspicious man and can be heard pursuing Trayvon Martin, 17, on foot against the dispatcher's advice causing the teen to run away.
Moments later the police are bombarded with calls from terrified neighbors as a voice in the background can be heard desperately screaming for help before the sound of two gun shots.
When police arrived at Florida's Retreat at Twin Lakes Townhomes they found Trayvon, who had been returning from a store with candy for his younger brother, had been shot dead by Zimmerman.
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Trayvon Martin, 17, left, was killed by George Zimmerman, 28, right, after the neighborhood watch captain pursued him as walked in a gated community

Zimmerman had called 911 after spotting the teen walking through the gated community.
'This guy looks like he is up to no good. He is on drugs or something,' Zimmerman told the dispatcher from his SUV.
He added that the black teen had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes.

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'These a---. They always get away,' Zimmerman said on a 911 call.
During Zimmerman's initial call, he told the dispatcher he was following Martin and the dispatcher told him, 'You don't need to do that.'
But Zimmerman sounds as if he continues to pursue the teen saying: 'He ran.'
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In Zimmerman's 911 call he said Martin, pictured, looked like he 'up to no good' and on drugs as the teen returned home with skittles for his brother
He then refuses to meet police officers at an agreed location and asks for them to call him on arrival instead so he can tell them where he is.
Sanford police officials, who have not charged Zimmerman after accepting his claim that his actions were in self defense, finally released eight 911 calls on Friday after mounting pressure.
Martin's family had demanded the release of the calls to help better understand how Martin died while walking home from a convenience store last month.
'He was yelling for help, and no one could help him. He saw his life being taken away from him,' the teen's father Tracy Martin said.
He said they will continue pushing for charges to be filed against Zimmerman.
'We?re hoping this doesn?t happen again to another family, and that America opens their eyes ... even though this won?t bring Trayvon back,
we don?t want there to be another Trayvon,' Mr Martin said.
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The teenager's parents; mother Sabrina Fulton, right, and father Tracy Martin, left, are said to be devastated after hearing the 911 calls of their son's last moments

Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Martin's family, said that the 911 calls show that the teenager spent the last few moments of his life terrified and Zimmerman should be charged
After listening to recordings of 911 calls, Martin's family said they're more convinced than ever that the Zimmerman should be charged with a crime.
'You hear a shot, a clear shot, then you hear a 17-year-old boy begging for his life,' said Natalie Jackson, the family attorney. 'Then you hear a second shot.'
The case has been turned over to the State Attorney's Office which can decide whether to file charges or present evidence to a grand jury.
Attorney Benjamin Crump, who is also representing the family, told reporters outside Sanford City Hall that Martin's parents both broke down and cried as they listened to the recordings.
'They are completely devastated, and they are in unbelievable grief,' Crump said. 'The last seconds of his life were in absolute fear.'
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Martin was visiting his father and stepmother in Sanford where they live at The Retreat at Twin Lakes, pictured, when he popped out to buy snacks for his younger brother
He added that a third witness has come forward saying it was the boy who was crying for help.
Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, previously sued to have the recordings released. A hearing for the case had been scheduled for Monday.
Moments after Zimmerman's initial call, dispatchers were bombarded by seven 911 calls from frantic neighbors describing a fight between two men, screaming and then a gunshot.
'There is somebody screaming outside,' one female caller said, as an unknown male voice can be heard crying in the background. Then a shot is heard.
A male caller described a physical altercation between Martin and the shooter.
'I just heard a shot right behind my house,' The caller said. 'They're wrestling right behind my porch. The guy is yelling 'Help.' I'm not going outside.'

By the time police officers arrived, unarmed Trayvon, who had been carrying Skittles and soda, was dead on the ground from a single gunshot
Another woman said a man in a 'white top' was on top Trayvon.
Earlier on Friday, Martin's parents called on the FBI to take over the investigation, saying they no longer trusted the Sanford police department.
Sanford police Sgt. David Morgenstern said the department stands by its investigation but welcomes help from any outside agency. FBI agent David Couvertier said the agency has been in contact with Sanford police and is monitoring the case.
'We are committed to having somebody review this to see if we made a mistake,' said Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett. 'If we made missteps and there is something there, we will act accordingly'

Trayvon's family believe Zimmerman should be charged and brought to justice for shooting their young son
Several Sanford residents who spoke to The Associated Press said they think there would have been an arrest already if the shooter had been black and the deceased had been white.
They said blacks and whites in this city of 53,000 residents were pretty much in agreement that an injustice had been done with no one arrested, and that there was no racial divide in how the case is being perceived. The city is 57 percent white and 30 percent black.
Zimmerman's father delivered a letter to the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday, saying the way his son is being depicted in the media is cruel and misleading.
He also says his son has received death threats and moved out of his home. George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says.

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Boomba · 20/07/2013 15:55

You are asking if my opinion would be biased and based on emotion if this happened to my son. The obvious answer is of course

NO sym I am trying to get you to consider your views on the case, if you could consider Trayvon as the human being that he was, if you could consider him an innocent child as he was

symfem · 20/07/2013 15:57

The jury are a danger because they looked at the evidence and based their decision on that, not emotion ?

Come on, that's up there with the no smoke without fire comments you made earlier.

Legal experts reviewing the case, agree that the jury, based on the trial evidence came to the correct verdict.

Boomba · 20/07/2013 15:59

Zimmerman phoned the police and said he was following Trayvon. He told he police that Trayvon was trying to run away from him and he was persisting...That IS evidence.

Trayvon had tried to escape from the man that was chasing him. IF he 'attacked' Zimmerman first, it was because he felt it was his only defence left.

Boomba · 20/07/2013 16:02

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symfem · 20/07/2013 16:02

Very loaded emotive language there. Again you seem
To miss the point I'm making. I'm not looking at this in personal terms, either race or colour or age or so on, clinically looking at the facts, the jury made the right decision. One I would make.

My personal opinion is irrelevant to the point I'm making.

Zimmerman shouldn't have been on trial for second degree murder, it wasn't a case they could win

symfem · 20/07/2013 16:04

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Boomba · 20/07/2013 16:10

haha at human being and innocent child being loaded amotive language Hmm

Boomba · 20/07/2013 16:19

'loaded emotive language'

Boomba · 20/07/2013 16:22

oh sym did you feel that was a reference to yourself??

You've only been here for about 5 minutes...Ive been chatting to lots of people for days. But y'know, if the cap fits an' all

btw, swearing has fuck all to do with intellegence

creighton · 20/07/2013 16:36

there is no need for symfem to have any empathy. her children would never be seen as expendable so it is impossible for her to have any understanding of other people's fears. all of this is just a logic chopping, academic game for her.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/07/2013 16:52

I have dealt with you with nothing but reserved statements

... and that's what seems to rile them so much, Symfem :-)

As we've seen, Boomba posts are frequently littered with obscenities and Creighton has had post after post after post removed; such a pity they're unable to express themselves appropriately

I, too, asked about proof of Z's guilt, and got no further than you have; just insistence that the proof is on this thread (don't bother ploughing through, it isn't) and, if that doesn't work, personal insults, accusations of provocation and endless repetition of "facts" which are nothing of the sort, merely opinions

In the end, it seems that some believe that Z is guilty ... so he must be ... so he is. Any other interpretation is down to a corrupt system or racism, and common sense and the actual evidence heard at the trial have nothing to do with it

Anyway, sorry - I wasn't going to post again and won't in future, but it just seemed a shame to see yet another poster so filthily abused for asking a perfectly rational question

symfem · 20/07/2013 16:55

Boomba you were conversing with me immediately before you launched your vitriolic attack

It's naturally to assume your intellectual abuse was aimed at me

creighton · 20/07/2013 16:55

well puzzled and symfem, you carry on being ice cool while we worry about how our families and people like us are treated by the white justice system.

the system in America is racist and unjust, had you read and absorbed earlier posts you would have seen that.

creighton · 20/07/2013 16:56

when you say that I don't express myself appropriately do you mean that I don't take white people's word as gospel? what do you mean?

symfem · 20/07/2013 16:57

Creighton that's another list of assumptions. I have made towards you

One of us seems obsessed with profiling people they don't know, and it isn't me

I'm sorry you are an enemy of rational thinking, if you have children I hope to teach them to look beyond prejudice and look at facts

creighton · 20/07/2013 16:59

it's the white interpretation of facts that is the problem i.e. it is acceptable to kill a black child and walk away without paying for the crime.

if you have children, I will fear for my children's safety from them as you will teach them that my children don't count.

symfem · 20/07/2013 16:59

The American legal systems can be accused of being corrupt and racist. You have to prove that is for this case true

creighton · 20/07/2013 17:00

look at the American news websites.

symfem · 20/07/2013 17:02

Again creighton i did not say that simmerman should walk away free for killing trayvon. I said there wasn't enough evidence to convict him of second degree murder

Yours and boombas posts are perfect examples of why a legal system has to be rational, logic based and not emotive.

Trials are determined on facts and evidence not feelings and desires

creighton · 20/07/2013 17:07

we have to be emotional and demanding because the lovely Floridian justice system did not even investigate the crime until it was forced to. its emotions said that the black boy got what he deserved from a white man and that's okay. so it was okay for the police to be 'racist/emotional' but not anyone else?

symfem · 20/07/2013 17:09

I have, and I quote

Alan Dershowitz

"the verdict is right, there was reasonable doubt"

Abc legal expert, Dan Abrams

"the right legal verdict. I don't see how the jury could reach any other verdict"

creighton · 20/07/2013 17:11

another dead black, who cares?

symfem · 20/07/2013 17:11

Again you are clearly not understanding

When the case is brought to trial, the jury can only work on the evidence provided

Zimmermans story checks, according to forensic evidence. You may wish to ignore evidence to get the verdict you want. The civilised world does not operate on such parameters

symfem · 20/07/2013 17:12

Indeed another dead black. What this statement means in terms of relevance to evidence of conviction I don't know.

creighton · 20/07/2013 17:17

which civilised world are you talking about? point it out to me? florida? England? where exactly?