Where is the fucking justice for Trayvon Martin? a 17 year old INNOCENT CHILD shot to death simply because he was walking in his father's gated community.

[chewchewmeaw]

Why in gods hell has that MURDERER not been arrested?

Are they looking for riots? they will happen if Zimmerman is not brought to justice. I am so sickened by this.

I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't heard this story yet - very slow in reporting it.

He was begging for his life': Family's anger as police finally play 911 calls made by neighborhood watch captain who shot black teen

Trayvon Martin,17, was shot dead by George Zimmerman, 28, last month, who claims the killing was self defense and has not been charged
Police finally gave into mounting pressure on Friday and released eight 911 calls
The teen's family say the calls show Zimmerman was the 'aggressor' not Trayvon

The police have finally released the 911 calls made in relation to the killing of an unarmed black teenager who was shot by a white neighborhood watch captain.

George Zimmerman, 28, had called 911 to report a suspicious man and can be heard pursuing Trayvon Martin, 17, on foot against the dispatcher's advice causing the teen to run away.
Moments later the police are bombarded with calls from terrified neighbors as a voice in the background can be heard desperately screaming for help before the sound of two gun shots.
When police arrived at Florida's Retreat at Twin Lakes Townhomes they found Trayvon, who had been returning from a store with candy for his younger brother, had been shot dead by Zimmerman.
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Trayvon Martin, 17, left, was killed by George Zimmerman, 28, right, after the neighborhood watch captain pursued him as walked in a gated community

Zimmerman had called 911 after spotting the teen walking through the gated community.
'This guy looks like he is up to no good. He is on drugs or something,' Zimmerman told the dispatcher from his SUV.
He added that the black teen had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes.

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'These a---. They always get away,' Zimmerman said on a 911 call.
During Zimmerman's initial call, he told the dispatcher he was following Martin and the dispatcher told him, 'You don't need to do that.'
But Zimmerman sounds as if he continues to pursue the teen saying: 'He ran.'
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In Zimmerman's 911 call he said Martin, pictured, looked like he 'up to no good' and on drugs as the teen returned home with skittles for his brother
He then refuses to meet police officers at an agreed location and asks for them to call him on arrival instead so he can tell them where he is.
Sanford police officials, who have not charged Zimmerman after accepting his claim that his actions were in self defense, finally released eight 911 calls on Friday after mounting pressure.
Martin's family had demanded the release of the calls to help better understand how Martin died while walking home from a convenience store last month.
'He was yelling for help, and no one could help him. He saw his life being taken away from him,' the teen's father Tracy Martin said.
He said they will continue pushing for charges to be filed against Zimmerman.
'We?re hoping this doesn?t happen again to another family, and that America opens their eyes ... even though this won?t bring Trayvon back,
we don?t want there to be another Trayvon,' Mr Martin said.
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The teenager's parents; mother Sabrina Fulton, right, and father Tracy Martin, left, are said to be devastated after hearing the 911 calls of their son's last moments

Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Martin's family, said that the 911 calls show that the teenager spent the last few moments of his life terrified and Zimmerman should be charged
After listening to recordings of 911 calls, Martin's family said they're more convinced than ever that the Zimmerman should be charged with a crime.
'You hear a shot, a clear shot, then you hear a 17-year-old boy begging for his life,' said Natalie Jackson, the family attorney. 'Then you hear a second shot.'
The case has been turned over to the State Attorney's Office which can decide whether to file charges or present evidence to a grand jury.
Attorney Benjamin Crump, who is also representing the family, told reporters outside Sanford City Hall that Martin's parents both broke down and cried as they listened to the recordings.
'They are completely devastated, and they are in unbelievable grief,' Crump said. 'The last seconds of his life were in absolute fear.'
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Martin was visiting his father and stepmother in Sanford where they live at The Retreat at Twin Lakes, pictured, when he popped out to buy snacks for his younger brother
He added that a third witness has come forward saying it was the boy who was crying for help.
Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, previously sued to have the recordings released. A hearing for the case had been scheduled for Monday.
Moments after Zimmerman's initial call, dispatchers were bombarded by seven 911 calls from frantic neighbors describing a fight between two men, screaming and then a gunshot.
'There is somebody screaming outside,' one female caller said, as an unknown male voice can be heard crying in the background. Then a shot is heard.
A male caller described a physical altercation between Martin and the shooter.
'I just heard a shot right behind my house,' The caller said. 'They're wrestling right behind my porch. The guy is yelling 'Help.' I'm not going outside.'

By the time police officers arrived, unarmed Trayvon, who had been carrying Skittles and soda, was dead on the ground from a single gunshot
Another woman said a man in a 'white top' was on top Trayvon.
Earlier on Friday, Martin's parents called on the FBI to take over the investigation, saying they no longer trusted the Sanford police department.
Sanford police Sgt. David Morgenstern said the department stands by its investigation but welcomes help from any outside agency. FBI agent David Couvertier said the agency has been in contact with Sanford police and is monitoring the case.
'We are committed to having somebody review this to see if we made a mistake,' said Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett. 'If we made missteps and there is something there, we will act accordingly'

Trayvon's family believe Zimmerman should be charged and brought to justice for shooting their young son
Several Sanford residents who spoke to The Associated Press said they think there would have been an arrest already if the shooter had been black and the deceased had been white.
They said blacks and whites in this city of 53,000 residents were pretty much in agreement that an injustice had been done with no one arrested, and that there was no racial divide in how the case is being perceived. The city is 57 percent white and 30 percent black.
Zimmerman's father delivered a letter to the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday, saying the way his son is being depicted in the media is cruel and misleading.
He also says his son has received death threats and moved out of his home. George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says.

Missed this earlier; quoted by Wellwobbly from the telegraph.

If this event had happened on a British housing complex, then the worst that would likely have happened to George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin would have been a br0ken nose and some bruised egos

Another load of shit.

He has obviously never heard of Stephen Lawrence et al.

staffie
If they want to protest outside the American embassy they should protest about America's treatment of Edward Snowden, that is something that very much affects all of us

It is possible to protest about more than one thing.

Well then that person is some sad do-gooder idiot attempting to excuse the racism of non-whites

Or...that person is someone with a good grasp on reality and how things really work.

Everything you say sounds like the ramblings of a racist trying to justify racism.

It's a definition of the term 'racism' with which I happen to agree. It makes no odds to me if people or dictionaries disagree.

The terms 'bigoted' and 'prejudiced' are still available and are equally repugnant, though different.

I offer that to you staffie99 to calm you.

As should the description 'equal, but different' which was used to justify apartheid.

It is possible to protest about more than one thing.

It is, although let's be honest, that's not what they're doing.

Lets be honest? WTF does honesty have to do with it?

You have no way of knowing what number of causes any one person is behind.

He has obviously never heard of Stephen Lawrence et al

I noticed that and let it go amberleaf. The Telegraph writer and wellwobbly have never heard of knives, or boots or people who go out looking to give someone a good kicking.

I'm white. I have to say I've experienced some unpleasant race-based behaviour from some black people.

But on the whole I can get over it because, without being rude to you, it doesn't count, does it?

Maybe racism can only have an impact if you are in a position of power, doesn't mean non whites can't be racist.

I know exactly what you mean and no, it doesnt 'count' or have an impact.

Im sure the telegraph and wellwobbly know all about all that stuff [and wouldnt hesitate to mention it if it suited their agenda at that time] but for this 'story' chose to overlook that.

ThePowerof3

Point being, without power, it isn't racism, it is prejudice which yes, anyone is capable of.

I don't understand the distinction, really not being obtuse, genuinely interested

the difference between black on white and white on black racism is 2-fold for me;

1. when white people are prejudice against black people, it is because of the colour of their skin. Prejudice from black people towards white is born out a long history of foul treatment at their hands...it is a reaction

2. The power balance...minority/majority dynamic...it holds no power if someone is racist against you and you are in the majority. Like standing in a pub in Cardiff after a rugby match and telling jokes about Welsh people..

Or the more chilling idea that people don't know how to run their country or get up in the morning because of the colour of their skin.

The definition of racism being prejudice + power (or discrimination + power if discussing racist actions) has been used since before the 1970s. Even the UN follows it (though there's is far wordier as always).

Basically, the current system of race was created by the elite White people to obtain and gain more power and to excuse their actions. Prior to that, people we not divided by skin colour - tribe/ethnicity, yes; language - yes; losing a war, yes; debt, yes; sex and gender, - yes; but not skin colour. They brought poorer white people by creating sciences to "prove" others inferiority and backed it up with education, media, religion, and law (in many areas, poorer whites were forced to maintain slave-watch duties, to reinforce the divide). The system grows and is still currently in motion - we still have all those facets making excuses for what was originally a business issue (the original enslavement was war criminals and those in debt and they were suppose to be returned. That obviously didn't happen and it didn't meet business's needs. At the time, actively working was frowned upon by the gentry, you are supposed to have people working for you, hence the needs for numbers and the lack of care of life. Basically starts because some people thought they were too good to work - they were White European gentry). The entire system was built for that and, as I said, many parts of it are still in motion, particularly education, media, and law (though some still within science and religions). White people created the social construct which affects everyone's lives, some more immune to it than others, and it intersects with everything. Media particularly - look at the reports of "black on black violence" and you'd never guess the numbers are comparable to White on White violence (for the same reasons, guess who of each they know more of?) it just feeds the system. Just like this court case, media frenzy that covered up a lot of things and put a horrible light on the people involved (concerns about riots were met with peaceful protest, the witness Rachel is called uneducated by a juror - that young woman speaks three languages and dealing with her medical problems well).

Yes it can hurt, the prejudice and discrimination some POC have against White people. There are also a lot of interPOC struggles going on (it's not just Whites versus the rest). But it is nothing compared to what everyone else has to go through. If we think ?All" white people are racist, it?s a hurtful generalization. If you think ?All" Black people are thugs, it?s deadly. To call people who are have recognized and fighting this for decades "sad good-doers" is to degrade what people having been dying for generations for. Why anyone would want to support these systems is beyond me, it really doesn't care about any of us, only about sustaining it's power through the status quo. This is a just another in a long line of battles and already have more lined up. For some of us "do-gooders", the fight doesn't end with the headlines while we live in a world where the technology progresses faster than people do.

Extremely blunt power point on the difference between prejudice, discrimination, and racism by someone else that is quite informative and very blunt. I included several other links on racism in previous posts on this and the other thread on this topic.

I think your posts are excellent sporks

The juror who seems to be getting lots of attention said that when they first went into jury room 1 wanted guilty of second degree murder, 2 wanted manslaughter and 3 wanted not guilty. We all know what happened next

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By Saturday, investigative reporting has turned up some more new unflattering information about George Zimmerman, the 28 year old neighborhood watchman who shot an unarmed 17 African-American boy which has captured the public headline news the last few days. According to his former co-workers, Zimmerman was fired from a security job providing security for house parties after he grabbed an intoxicated young woman and threw her. According to at least one of these co-workers, Zimmerman also had a "Jekyll and Hyde" personality, where he could be entirely decent one moment, but prone to violence the next.

Even more damning was the report that Zimmerman actually had three separate prior arrests, but these arrests were sealed by the courts. It also turns out that Zimmerman's father, Frank Zimmerman, was a retired Orange County magistrate judge, which brings up the question whether he used his influence somehow to get these arrest records sealed. If these arrest records weren't sealed, then it might have kept Zimmerman from acquiring a gun by passing a background check.

Further damning evidence against Zimmerman was a videotape acquired by CBS of Zimmerman at a police station in handcuffs after the shooting where he showed no evidence of being assaulted by Trayvon Martin. There didn't appear to be any injury to the back of the head, cut lip or broken nose that Zimmerman and his defenders had claimed. Further, a mortician didn't find any evidence that Trayvon Martin had been in a fight when he was preparing his body, only the fatal bullet wound to his chest. All of this strongly suggests that Zimmerman has lied about his account of the events.

Former co-workers of Zimmerman before he was fired from his security job claimed that Zimmerman liked power over people and enjoyed ordering people around. He like to play cop was the bottom line. But, his history of unacceptable violent incidents got him fired from that security job.

More and more the image of some screwball who liked guns and wanted to play a cop is emerging. But, it appears that Zimmerman lacked both the self control and possibly even the mental health to be in possession of a gun. Zimmerman was told not to follow Trayvon Martin by a 911 operator, and certainly not to leave his SUV and pursue someone he only thought was potentially suspicious. Apparently, Zimmerman had no reason to believe that Martin had committed any crime, but instead didn't recognize him as a neighborhood youth.

Even former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, the brother of the former president, George W. Bush, has publicly claimed that when he signed Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, meant just that. To "stand your ground", and not to "pursue" and shoot someone.

Smart money would suggest that Zimmerman probably gets charged by a prosecutor at some point after an investigation. Further, it was highly unusual for Zimmerman to hire a lawyer right after the incident if he was a crime victim who was assaulted by Martin. Zimmerman also quickly lined up family and friends of his to publicly claim that his account of the incident was the true story. But, physical and circumstantial evidence is quickly calling into question Zimmerman's account of the fatal shooting incident.

Voice experts now confirm that without question it was Trayvon Martin crying for help on the 911 call, and not Zimmerman moments before he was shot to death. Trayvon Martin may also have been suspended from school for having a trace of marijuana in an empty baggie, but otherwise he had no public history of arrests or violence to suggest that he was the aggressor in this incident.

Some civil rights leaders sought to make this incident into a racial incident, however George Zimmerman is the mother of a Hispanic woman, and has at least one African-American close friend who rushed to publicly defend him, strongly suggesting that this incident had little to do with race, but rather was the unfortunate act of someone who lacked good judgement and was unfit to own a gun.

Filmmaker Spike Lee had to apologize for giving out the home address of George Zimmerman in a Tweet as he seemed to be attempting to set Zimmerman up for violence. And some Websites have run pictures of Zimmerman with a gun target painted over him. The Black Panthers offered some sort of bounty to bring him to justice. But, none of this nonsense was very helpful, and only helped to complicate the effort to search for the truth in this case. Legal incidents need to addressed through the legal system, and not through the court of public opinion or emotion.

But Travyon Martins The Bad Guy Huh Or This Wanna Be Thug As You Been Saying Please !!!

Thank you Boomba .

Forgot a link, the "If we think ?All" white people are racist, it?s a hurtful generalization. If you think ?All" Black people are thugs, it?s deadly" was meant to link to Racism 101 where the quote originates (slightly less blunt site than the latter link).

George Zimmerman is the mother of a Hispanic woman

@ Zimmerman being anyone's mother... I gather his defence tried a pathetic version of the 'some of my best friends are black' line, something like 'he once went on a date with a black girl in high school! See, he can't be racist at all!'

Zimmerman is Hispanic and one-quarter black, has a half-black sister, a black grandmother, dated black women, fought to expose a police cover-up that occurred after the police beat up a black man, and his black friends and colleagues do not believe him to be racist. But I suppose it's easy to dismiss that as "pathetic" when it doesn't fit the narrative you want to believe.

for what reason, do you think people want to find racism, where there isnt any?

why do people think other people are 'looking to be offended'??

to what end?

Zimmerman is a Latino man. He identifies himself as a Latino man. His mother a is Peruvian Latina woman. The term Hispanic means 'from Spain' which obviously has colonizing roots that are only used these days in outdated government forms, much like Caucasian is still used on some American government forms to mean White when most Caucasians aren't.

He does not identify nor would he be treated in America as Black. Dating and being related to Black people doesn't make you immune to racism (many men shag are and related to women and are still misogynistic). Calling the police repeatedly about suspicious Black people in your neighbourhood and repeatedly blaming local burglaries on Black men are racist actions (and he has quite a violent past so I'm not sure why anyone would give him a positive narrative).

A page of links on Zimmerman collected by someone else, warning one link includes discussion of repeated molestation of a child, it's currently labelled but pages change and get updated.

The acquittal was entirely the correct decision.

Firstly, the Zimmerman defence team did not rely on a theory of Stand Your Ground. It was reserved as an immunity from prosecution, not as an affirmative defence to the murder/manslaughter charges. So all the outrage about how Stand Your Ground ?got George Zimmerman off? is completely misguided (although, FWIW I think it's a ridiculous law to have on the statute books.)

Secondly, Trayvon Martin was killed because when George Zimmerman fired the shot, he believed he was in fear of his life. Because TM was on top of him, beating him and hitting his head on the concrete floor. And the jury thought that fear was reasonable. It?s a very sad state of affairs that this fight ended the way it did. But whether we like it or not, Florida law allows you to use lethal force to defend yourself against the imminent danger of death or great bodily harm.

So much of this incredibly sad tale is just irrelevant, legally speaking. It doesn?t matter that GZ was probably more responsible (perhaps entirely responsible, in fact) for escalating the situation to the point where the physical altercation took place. It doesn't matter that GZ should have remained in his car (and incidentally, it is clear from the court transcripts that the 911 operator did not tell him to go back to his car.) It doesn?t matter what motivated GZ to pursue TM. It doesn?t matter that TM was a sweet kid who had only a packet of Skittles in his pocket ? just as it wouldn?t have mattered if he had had a crack pipe in his pocket. It doesn?t matter that TM referred to GZ as ?cracker? and it wouldn?t have mattered if GZ had called TM something equally offensive (and there is no evidence that he did, his only reference to TM?s race was when the 911 operator asked what race TM was. GZ said, ?He looks black.?)

The eyewitness testimony and the physical evidence supported GZ?s version of events ? namely that he was being beaten up by someone who was in a position of great physical advantage (being on top of him) and that he could not otherwise get away. We can scream and shout all we like about the rights and wrongs of allowing legal force in such a situation, but the law is as it is. The jury had no option but to find GZ not guilty ? in fact I am only surprised that the case went to trial. Nothing to do with race, rather the proper application of the law to the facts.

And finally ? GZ is as white as Barack Obama and Halle Berry.