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Where is the fucking justice for Trayvon Martin? a 17 year old INNOCENT CHILD shot to death simply because he was walking in his father's gated community.

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chewchewmeaw · 17/03/2012 19:10

Why in gods hell has that MURDERER not been arrested?

Are they looking for riots? they will happen if Zimmerman is not brought to justice. I am so sickened by this.

I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't heard this story yet - very slow in reporting it.

He was begging for his life': Family's anger as police finally play 911 calls made by neighborhood watch captain who shot black teen

Trayvon Martin,17, was shot dead by George Zimmerman, 28, last month, who claims the killing was self defense and has not been charged
Police finally gave into mounting pressure on Friday and released eight 911 calls
The teen's family say the calls show Zimmerman was the 'aggressor' not Trayvon

The police have finally released the 911 calls made in relation to the killing of an unarmed black teenager who was shot by a white neighborhood watch captain.

George Zimmerman, 28, had called 911 to report a suspicious man and can be heard pursuing Trayvon Martin, 17, on foot against the dispatcher's advice causing the teen to run away.
Moments later the police are bombarded with calls from terrified neighbors as a voice in the background can be heard desperately screaming for help before the sound of two gun shots.
When police arrived at Florida's Retreat at Twin Lakes Townhomes they found Trayvon, who had been returning from a store with candy for his younger brother, had been shot dead by Zimmerman.
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Trayvon Martin, 17, left, was killed by George Zimmerman, 28, right, after the neighborhood watch captain pursued him as walked in a gated community

Zimmerman had called 911 after spotting the teen walking through the gated community.
'This guy looks like he is up to no good. He is on drugs or something,' Zimmerman told the dispatcher from his SUV.
He added that the black teen had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes.

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'These a---. They always get away,' Zimmerman said on a 911 call.
During Zimmerman's initial call, he told the dispatcher he was following Martin and the dispatcher told him, 'You don't need to do that.'
But Zimmerman sounds as if he continues to pursue the teen saying: 'He ran.'
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In Zimmerman's 911 call he said Martin, pictured, looked like he 'up to no good' and on drugs as the teen returned home with skittles for his brother
He then refuses to meet police officers at an agreed location and asks for them to call him on arrival instead so he can tell them where he is.
Sanford police officials, who have not charged Zimmerman after accepting his claim that his actions were in self defense, finally released eight 911 calls on Friday after mounting pressure.
Martin's family had demanded the release of the calls to help better understand how Martin died while walking home from a convenience store last month.
'He was yelling for help, and no one could help him. He saw his life being taken away from him,' the teen's father Tracy Martin said.
He said they will continue pushing for charges to be filed against Zimmerman.
'We?re hoping this doesn?t happen again to another family, and that America opens their eyes ... even though this won?t bring Trayvon back,
we don?t want there to be another Trayvon,' Mr Martin said.
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The teenager's parents; mother Sabrina Fulton, right, and father Tracy Martin, left, are said to be devastated after hearing the 911 calls of their son's last moments

Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Martin's family, said that the 911 calls show that the teenager spent the last few moments of his life terrified and Zimmerman should be charged
After listening to recordings of 911 calls, Martin's family said they're more convinced than ever that the Zimmerman should be charged with a crime.
'You hear a shot, a clear shot, then you hear a 17-year-old boy begging for his life,' said Natalie Jackson, the family attorney. 'Then you hear a second shot.'
The case has been turned over to the State Attorney's Office which can decide whether to file charges or present evidence to a grand jury.
Attorney Benjamin Crump, who is also representing the family, told reporters outside Sanford City Hall that Martin's parents both broke down and cried as they listened to the recordings.
'They are completely devastated, and they are in unbelievable grief,' Crump said. 'The last seconds of his life were in absolute fear.'
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Martin was visiting his father and stepmother in Sanford where they live at The Retreat at Twin Lakes, pictured, when he popped out to buy snacks for his younger brother
He added that a third witness has come forward saying it was the boy who was crying for help.
Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, previously sued to have the recordings released. A hearing for the case had been scheduled for Monday.
Moments after Zimmerman's initial call, dispatchers were bombarded by seven 911 calls from frantic neighbors describing a fight between two men, screaming and then a gunshot.
'There is somebody screaming outside,' one female caller said, as an unknown male voice can be heard crying in the background. Then a shot is heard.
A male caller described a physical altercation between Martin and the shooter.
'I just heard a shot right behind my house,' The caller said. 'They're wrestling right behind my porch. The guy is yelling 'Help.' I'm not going outside.'

By the time police officers arrived, unarmed Trayvon, who had been carrying Skittles and soda, was dead on the ground from a single gunshot
Another woman said a man in a 'white top' was on top Trayvon.
Earlier on Friday, Martin's parents called on the FBI to take over the investigation, saying they no longer trusted the Sanford police department.
Sanford police Sgt. David Morgenstern said the department stands by its investigation but welcomes help from any outside agency. FBI agent David Couvertier said the agency has been in contact with Sanford police and is monitoring the case.
'We are committed to having somebody review this to see if we made a mistake,' said Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett. 'If we made missteps and there is something there, we will act accordingly'

Trayvon's family believe Zimmerman should be charged and brought to justice for shooting their young son
Several Sanford residents who spoke to The Associated Press said they think there would have been an arrest already if the shooter had been black and the deceased had been white.
They said blacks and whites in this city of 53,000 residents were pretty much in agreement that an injustice had been done with no one arrested, and that there was no racial divide in how the case is being perceived. The city is 57 percent white and 30 percent black.
Zimmerman's father delivered a letter to the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday, saying the way his son is being depicted in the media is cruel and misleading.
He also says his son has received death threats and moved out of his home. George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says.

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emuloc · 15/07/2013 16:57

Wellwobbly What is gangsta aggression. I do not understand what that is. Who has stated that all victims are angels. Who are these lefties. Your post are full of assumptions.

EldritchCleavage · 15/07/2013 17:02

the real, hard, incontrovertible lesson that should be drawn from this case is not about race, but about guns.
If this event had happened on a British housing complex, then the worst that would likely have happened to George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin would have been a broken nose and some bruised egos. In Florida, an innocent teenager loses his life.
That's the lesson here. People like George Zimmerman shouldn't be carrying guns, and it is inexcusable for the law in states like Florida - the so-called "Stand Your Ground" laws - to so embolden the Zimmermans of this world to use them.
Even if you accept entirely Zimmerman's version of events ? that he was jumped by Martin who then banging his head on the pavement ? was he really justified to shoot him dead? What happened to crying for help? Or begging for mercy?
Trayvon Martin had no knife, Zimmerman's injuries were far from life-threatening and yet he apparently felt no compunction in pulling out his gun and shooting Martin dead?
That's what unfathomable here, the frame of mind that allows Zimmerman to take such a disastrous, fatal step and the legal system that encourages him to pull the trigger.

Disagree with the 'not about race' part: that was very much there in the minds, assumptions, reactions of both Zimmerman and Martin, I suspect, but the rest is bang on.

Zimmerman showed no judgment and no proper sense of proportion or responsibility, but was probably properly acquitted because of the way the Florida law operates.

AmberLeaf · 15/07/2013 17:08

Ah I missed your deleted reply wellwibbly.

Wouldn't mind a PM from anyone who saw it.

KateSMumsnet · 15/07/2013 17:31

@Wellwobbly

MN Towers: why is my reply deleted,

but her implying racist supporting 1960s deep South attitudes left to stand?

I dont' get the justice of MN Towers, really I don't.

Maybe I should have just 'implied' that Autumn was a self-loathing leftie!!!

Wellwobbly your post was deleted because it was a personal attack, as you called Amberleaf "a stupid relativistic lefty". Had you said something like "I find leftie views stupid", then it would of been a different matter. Our stance generally is play the ball not the player.

If anyone has any queries, please do report or mail [email protected]. It's the best way as we don't actively monitor threads.

We do think that this thread is an important debate, but as we've said before, please keep your posts within our talk guidelines, as it would be a shame if it was derailed.

Wellwobbly · 15/07/2013 17:51

Thanks MN for the reply, lesson learned Flowers

S'OK Amber, I called you a ....

Wellwobbly · 15/07/2013 17:51
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AmberLeaf · 15/07/2013 17:54

Yup, I attacked your opinion, not you.

quietitude · 15/07/2013 18:04

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LittleSporksBigSpork · 15/07/2013 18:10

(TW: Some of the following links include racial slurs and vile violent language, violence against women, children, and men, a video of a Latino woman being dragged out of court in front of her toddler for challenging the searching officer who sexually assaulted her while a White judge ignores her, and several popular and academic articles that are emotionally disturbing and upsetting. I present them as evidence of the racial problems in the American system).

Ashoething - are you ignoring how much racial abuse Obama has gotten? How vile his campaigns got with even people in his own party calling out for his birth certificate to be shown? How Republicans are purposely not supporting his bills, even the ones they recommended, to prove how bad a Black president is?

I am an American, one as white-passing as Latino Zimmerman.

[[
www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/new-york-nypd-stop-frisk-lawsuit-trial-charts America has a race problem]] While the UK has it's own issues I don't think people realize [[
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the]] scale of things or how bad things are away from the media when it comes to race relations, the impacts of racial profiling and racism, and the current fight going on beyond the headlines.

It's bad enough that Black judges and lawyers . That one of the most well liked and wealthy Black men in America is afraid of police violence because of his race.

America has a race problem, it's pretty much founded on a race problem, it's education system is designed to keep it in place (the history program is basically how great White America is over and over) as is the justice system. The prison system in America is big business - mostly private operators building pretty much all non-weapon military equipment is made there as are things in most government buildings. Because the 13th amendment allows slavery for those in prison and while America won't allow goods from other countries that are made in prisons, it's happy to export their own.

The system is corrupt, this is just the latest in a long problem, a long fight. You're quite blessed to miss it, hopefully in the future it can be taken apart so others can live without this as well.

Boomba · 15/07/2013 18:29

wobbley children dont always act/react in the way that we as adults know would get the best outcome, do they? Especially children who are being followed by a man and dont know what the mans intention is...to mug? to beat? to rape?

The man followed Trayvon in his car and then when Trayvon took a pedestrian route to shake him off, Zimmerman got out of his car and continued to follow him. Trayvon ran and Zimmerman followed.

The kid was likely petrified. In what way is a child exhibiting the fight response, after being trailed by a man, 'acting all gangsta'?

Boomba · 15/07/2013 18:36
limitedperiodonly · 15/07/2013 18:56

I don't get the Lefty slurs.

I just don't like any people thinking they're better than other people and meting out their form of justice and it being condoned by the prevailing political will.

I am a Lefty but on this issue don't Righties think the same?

chocolatespiders · 15/07/2013 21:31

Juror B-37 has signed a book deal??

babybarrister · 15/07/2013 21:37

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edam · 15/07/2013 23:22

Quite, limited. I'd like to know what people who think 'leftie' is an insult actually believe about this case - do they really think Trayvon Martin deserved to die, because he had the misfortune to meet an aggressive, angry, weapon-wielding man who assumes black teenagers are trouble-makers (rather than looking at his own behaviour)?

emuloc · 16/07/2013 08:37

If you read some of the posts on here it does make you wonder. The lack of compassion displayed by a few people on here is just so sad. A case like this does raise many questions least the fact that the USA needs to haye a good hard look at their gun laws.

TenaciousOne · 16/07/2013 08:58

Ashoething - Obama isn't black, he is mixed race. His mother was white so how can that make him black?

emuloc · 16/07/2013 09:02

Look at the one drop rule that applies in the USA there he is classed as black.

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 16/07/2013 09:11

If you read some of the posts on here it does make you wonder. The lack of compassion displayed by a few people on here is just so sad. A case like this does raise many questions least the fact that the USA needs to haye a good hard look at their gun laws.

America will never actually change their gun laws. I mean after Sandy Hook there was talk but did anything ever come of it?

It seems common sense to me that someone with a history of criminal violence (even if you ignore his racist past) should not be allowed to own a gun and strut about!

Everything about this case is disturbing because it all could have been prevented.

I do wonder (obvious speculation here) If Zimmerman thought Trayvon was such a thug... Would he have followed him against police advisement if he didn't have a gun? Surely if you think someone is a burglar you wouldn't follow them without a weapon.

There was no need for Zimmerman to have a gun. No need. Wish American politicians would stop bleating about their 'rights' and take a minute to see how many people are dead because of guns.

That story about the Latina woman is extremely disturbing. Does make me think instead of pounding on why there are so many minorities in jails, people should be questioning the system! (I did already think this, but that story -As well as the black woman firing warning shots-) Just cements my anger even further.

TenaciousOne · 16/07/2013 09:18

emuloc - a lot of white Americans are black using that rule but strangely you don't hear them saying they're black or others insisting they are black.

emuloc · 16/07/2013 09:21

They would not though would they. If you could pass for white and look it why say otherwise. Who wants to be at the bottom of the pile and treated as such.

TenaciousOne · 16/07/2013 09:26

So you're saying they can never go out with their mother/grandmother as that would give them away as being black Shock

emuloc · 16/07/2013 09:27

I was not aware I said that. No

emuloc · 16/07/2013 09:29

Sorry posted to soon. No where is my answer was that implied.

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