To be very angry and disheartened about the wave of misogyny in popular culture these days?

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Apparently the more things change, the more they stay the same!
This song that has been playing all over the radio (albeit with the offensive word changed to 'loving')- these are the lyrics to the uncut version. the whole song is about p. and there are references to 'kill(ing) that btch'. It even ends on a very audible obscentiy (check last line), that is not random, oh no. it's directed at a woman.
just WHAT gives some jumped up media personality the right to sing a song as offensive, reducing a whole woman to just her private parts, and live off the royalties?
when did it become like this? that a wildly popular icon such as JayZ had to say he would stop using the B word because now the world has stopped spinning and time has stood still he has a pweshus daughter and voila! no woman can ever be a btch ever again!

you have girls mutilating themselves, women becoming pneumatic caricatures. Songs glorifying domestic violence. Idiots asking chris brown to beat them on Twitter.
Terribly mean comments directed at women on youtube- almost always using the B word, sexual characteristics, whether the commenter would 'do them', and so on.
and this is only references in popular culture. i'm not even going to get into FGM. Female foeticide. Female infanticide. Dowry deaths. Molestation. Rape. Rape as a political tool rather than crime. Domestic violence. Lowered expectations for women's achievements because they're 'only women'.
Where does it end?
Feeling very today. I really liked that song till I searched for it on youtube to play whilst working, and found the uncut version.

YANBU. It's a disgrace but what can you do - censor lyrics?

YANBU! Disgusting, vile cunt he is!

Those lyrics are clearly written by a moron, and are really not worthy of the credibility they get when someone complains about them.

I think the word misogyny is used slightly too liberally on this website. I don't think this is misogyny, it's just twatishness.

Why can't things be both? twattishly misogynistic.
One doesn't detract from the other.

Something being twattish doesn't give a free pass to be misogynistic.

YANBU - I really hate the way that mysogyny seems to be considered acceptable and, worse, the shift towards women taking an objectified role in the mainstream/commercialised pop being marketed to young teens.

Sooo, Britney Spears prancing round in school uniform telling her boyfriend to hit her is considered OK for the 'mainstream' preteens, while Public Enemy questioning why women (particularly black women) are never given powerful roles in Hollywood films isn't?

In just find it so depressing women are still accepting this stuff. I'm imagining going back in time in time to and telling my 18 year old self that women would still be advising each other to smile and laugh at sexist language, while gently guiding their menfolk in subtle ways to change. And that women still get paid less, do more of the domestic work, still blame themselves when they are hit and are still being told by Judges that their contribute to their own rape. And that......, no it's all too depressing.

YANBU at all.

YANBU

"In just find it so depressing women are still accepting this stuff"

Women aren't accepting this stuff, young girls are getting it thrust upon them.

A while ago i listened to a very depressing conversation were a young man was slagging off a girl who had a few sexual partners, to another group of girls, one clearly fancied the lad and was enjoying the conversation.

He was making a joke how the girl "didn't smell so good down there" because she had multiple partners.

I am hearing these sorts of insults more and more. My own DD asked me if having different partners changes the way women smell.

I think this is a new form of insult that is being put into girls heads, as a means of control.

There have been many threads that pose the question, "should we, as women support each other because we are female" and most of the answers say no, so there isn't going to be a change.

I saw one of those picture post things on FB the other day (I know I know, but don't stop reading now ) and it had a quote from a Led Zepplin I think song about how the singer would love her forever and she was his world and he would cherish her always - a bit soppy but nice, you know? and beside it was some Nicky Manaj lyrics, and it just said something like "so you're a ho, a ho, a dumb ho bitch" over and over and over :( I was shocked - I've heard one or two really vile rap lyrics in my time, but it was the fact this was by her, not a male rapper about a female, but by a female who loads of teenagers and younger, seem to look up to and want to be like :( WHY has she no self respect?

@Festivalwidow 'hit me' as in poker hit me. ie give me another card, I'll keep playing.

But how many 8yr old Britney fans would know that moreyear ? It's not going to be their first thought is it...

YANBU

It's really depressing, at least all the people who think it's grim and depressing will be raising children who will be equipped to challenge all this crap. It's totally insidious though.

Amen, seeker.

And while I know less than nothing about JayZ, the fact that women are suddenly no longer hos and bitches just because he has a Precious First Born daughter makes me snort. Given that I gather he's famous and influential in the rap world, what is he going to do about helping to ensure that by the time she's eight, she's not going to be singing along to lyrics that make it plain that the major contribution of a woman to a relationship is an appropriately tight vagina that 'pleases' the rapper???

Actually I don't find that particular set of lyrics all that shocking or indeed all that more depraved than loads of others. The singer is saying he's angry with the woman because she has breached monogamy. It's an extrememly common trope in classical literature, art, and all kinds of music.

I thought this was going to be something about wanting to attack and kill all woman, not this old heteronormative mundane gubbins that actually applies to men in popular culture as well: stories and songs of women angry and wanting revenge on male partners who have breached monogamy are not rare.

God that song is awful! I rather embarrassingly remember being a bit of a Snoop Dog fan when I was in my teens and there was a particularly vile song on his album about having a respect for a woman until she opened up her "gap". Have no idea why I used to sing a long with glee at that song - think the lyrics were so disgusting that I thought it was "rebellious" innit.

I am with you OP - I get utterly depressed at the amount of this kind of crap we have to put up with.

Somebody will be along in a minute to explain why we are being humourless harridans with too much time on our hands for not liking this sort of thing. That's what usually happens when the mysogenist status quo is challenged on here.

That's not the mysogynist Status Quo- that would be a different argument.....

Status Quo are not mysogynist - just shit :)

Don't be such an idealist and wake up to the world. Western women have themselves to blame for a lot that happens to them. In Arabic there is a saying which translates to:

Men are the children their mothers made them into, as a childs first teacher is it's mother.

So if men are misbehaving and going off at the rails then it's not entirely their fault. Don't forget there are many women who are into BDSM, get off on being treated "bad" and mistreat men too.

However not all women are like this and many are victims. But many men fight for womens rights too and have empathy for women. Violence, sex and controversy sells these days and it's a great marketing tool as it forces people to react.

So men are not now fully responsible for their own actions - poor things cannot think for themselves obviously

i do not have a problem when i feel the performer has experienced this, or has grown up around violence and so on so is in some way writing from the heart, it may not be nice but if you take jay-z as an example he grew up on a housing project had a difficult violent upbrining would do you expect him to write about his mother cooking bread and his father taking them to church, that was not his life

but i do when the song has been written for them so they can become an act that is just there to appeal to a young audience and to sell records so it then becomes mainstream

where are all these men fighting for women's rights?

Please don't rise to jhsm2- he/she has said something very objectionable on another thread and is obviously out to shock. Best ignored.

Just to add my DH's mother is a complete nightmare - has alcohol issues and was not the best role model (neither was his dad) but he is the best DH in the whole world. Why? Because he is an adult and takes responsibility for himself rather than behaving badly and blaming his background.

And it is claimed that feminists are the manhaters - what rubbish!