To be very scared at the details of the Universal tax credit?

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I had no idea.

I've been away from the UK, and just saw the actual proposals/rules on another thread.

Its bad right?

I imagine there is another thread on this so if there is, sorry ...I can't find it! :)

OK happy mummy. I still think that is in favour of couples though, because there is much more scope, in terms of childcare, shifts etc, for two people to bring in more than 26 K.
A couple can work as a team. They can also stagger their annual leave to cover childcare in school holidays.

"Why are the people who ARE working, raising responsible future citizens, being targeted when there are so many men out there who don't work, parent or pay for their children"

I thought UC treated everybody the same regardless of sex? That means both parents are being treated the same, well actually the PWC can work less hours so UC is in their favour as presumably the NRP will have to work at least 30.

Yes, children will grow up and pay taxes but many wont as well. There are generations of families on benefits as they see it as the norm. Making people work will install good values in our future generation - it has to as we simply cant afford to subsidise peoples lifestyle choices.

40k is a lot for anyone to earn, let alone a single parent. Jobs which pay 40k are not likely to be term time and school hours. I'd say these cuts disproportionatly affect women as they are the main carers for children. They are, therefore, discriminatory.

Sorry LadySybil yes, of course there are also many hard working self employed people like you as well. I wonder where JK Rowling would be if she had had to do x hours for x minimum profit per week or be put on workfare when she was writing het first book?

Actually, I think the figures for 'generations' found several thousand second generation families without work, mainly in mining villages but NOT ONE 3rd generation non worker.
So outside Daily-Hate land there are not armies of families on benefits for generations.
Plus, just because you parent is on benefits doesnt make you are workshy scrounger. My mum was on benefits (my dad pissed off and didnt pay a penny). I worked from 13, as did my siblings. We always have.

I have said it before. I will say it again.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE "ON BENEFITS" ARE WORKING.

This has fuck all to do with "work ethic" and eveything to do with pitiful wages, unaffordable childcare and scapegoating.

And very many NRP's pay no child maintenence whatsoever. I get £9 a week from ds's dad.

Half of which I spent on a bottle of wine today. Ooh get me. Living the high life.
Call the Daily Mail and report me immediately.

As a disabled person, am I to work for free on workfare for as many hours as they see fit rather then earn my own money?

My blood is roiling and roikling. I won't ship myself off to a and e however. I will off myself. One less for the state to pay tax credits to.

How much does it cost the state to have a child in care from 4 til 18 though?And then the counselling he may well need, and the ADs he may be on and the impact on his own family if he has one, of the lack of any parenting at all? Good luck good luck!

Hookaduck, re lone parents, I got this from a dwp paper:

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We do not believe it is appropriate to require anyone to earn more than the National Minimum Wage, or to work longer than full-time. We therefore intend to set the maximum threshold for a single claimant at the level of earnings that would be accrued by working full-time at the National Minimum Wage."

"If we take full-time to mean 35 hours, the maximum conditionality threshold for an individual would be set at £212.80 at current rates. This means that if an individual earns over £212.80 per week before tax, they will be in the no conditionality group."

I took this to mean that if a lone parent earned, for example, twice the National Minimum wage, he/she would only need to work 17.5 hours per week to qualify for UC.

Would do others think?

Don't let the bastards get you down UnlikelyAmazonian.

Does anyone know if Maternity Allowance will be part of UC?

Ha. I'll try not to Syb. Not that hard though really as I adore my ds and he is so much an asset to his little society already. He and his little friends are the future. Our future. The world's future.

I am blessed to have him. I look at him asleep and awake and driving along in the car (glancing sideways) and I love him more. and more and then more.

I want to clean toilets to keep him clean and happy. I am setting up a small business that I can keep running when I can no longer physically clean - to keep him in decent clothes, gifts and a stocking at Christmas, to travel to see our lovely friends, and to give him a good work ethic. To send him on school trips. I love my son.

I could never off myself, because of the very fact that I have a child I love so dearly and fiercely.

I'm the same. Everything I do, I do for him. Best of luck with your business.

Sad fact: When my son was 13 he tried to find a little job, paper round, helping in local shops. There was no work for him anywhere.

He was gutted.

Now someone come and tell me that because i'm currently on benefit my kids have no work ethic.

Bollocks, i've worked all of my adult life. There are no jobs for me. My kids see how miserable I am being out of work, they hate it.

But no doubt I will be on workfare soon, it's ok, I dont have any pride left.

Oh froggy.

UA I've just bashed out more letters to relevant people with regards to the effect of the WRB on LP's. Might not work a miracle but I'm not giving up yet.

I work for myself. Per hour, what I do pays me much more than NMW, but since I have not been doing it that long, much of my time is taken up with business development , e.g scouting for clients, building up freelance contacts.
Its a slow growth, and I didn't declare very much profit on last years tax return, but more than the previous year.

In addition to this I have been trying for 10 months to find a part time job.
I have many years work experience. I am applying for anything and everything, including supermarkets.

I have still not been able to find extra work.
Any job that is not highly skilled that is advertised has 100 applicants withing the first 3 hours.

Things are really tough now, and they are getting worse-particularly in the North, particularly for women.

This welfare bill is truly kicking us when we are down.
In essesnce this government would prefer women to be sahm's married to high earning men.

Anybody who is in any way dependant on benefits (and this is over 5 million working people and their children) is collateral damage.

At the end of the day, when we're all supposed to be doing Workfare, there weren't be enough placements to go around surely?

Of course some companies may lay off workers currently on the NMW, opting for cheaper workfare workers to fill their place.. but still can't see how it'll work

The contradictions are what gets me.

Nearly 3 million unemployed (and rising)=
Feckless families living the high life on benefits.

Get your five fruit and veg a day=
Benefits cut and wages frozen.

Get Lone parents back to work=
Make childcare more expensive for them.

People on benefits shouldnt be allowed to live in "naice" areas=
Increase train fares by 12 % so that when they move they have to pay more to get to work.

Broken Britain. Feral children caused by broken families=
Get LP's to pay for CSA. Force them into full time jobs so their kids can have more time alone.

There is no logic.

Totem, from past experience...they will be seen to "refuse" it and be "sanctioned".

froggy, that's going to be worrying for those with younger children.

Spot on NorthernWreck

This, workfare, the NHS bill. Really, truly, how much longer does this government have? I hear tell that even though 134000 people signed the save the NHS petition, they will not debate it. I am truly scared what this all means for everyone.

Is it right that a general election can be forced somehow? Can someone explain that? Because we all HAVE to speak up for everyone else because, you know, if we don't, when they come for us, there'll be no-one left. Even the bloody DailyFail is condemning workfare etc.

Reform is one thing. Wholesale victimisation of an entire nation (apart from the 1% feckers) is another.

Of course totem, but they dont give a flying fart. It happened to me. Despite being a lone parent and supposedly having restrictions on my case relating to obvious childcare issues I was reprimanded for not applying for jobs I couldn't get childcare for and threatened with a sanction.

Must be cause since my last redundancy i've become a lazy bitch innit.

jobcentreplus.jobhits.co.uk/RETAIL-ASSISTANT-id-EAN-29944 superdrug are at it now.